X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "William Jepson" Received: from mail-ua0-f170.google.com ([209.85.217.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8871376 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 14:38:13 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.217.170; envelope-from=wrjjrs@gmail.com Received: by mail-ua0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 74so55319547uau.0 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:38:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=43vokorejKxeQfrIb4SyYnkQMNnaDo6STDQb/1pfa/Y=; b=zQrQkXTecZyUp+TyXeKgqR7f1RVsofAxDWhdta7u1BfXMlOzgsvBOqF2ANGV7/2hN4 guypllifRNFpHR+z5MXx7QuQFlGXCMkzd1rCk93bvDx0quirEUvbUfFrlHUnDKetNuSI 7gEYlHeVABUhLBBMibNnVbOWkgS5F2ikN9LD2IJ9TKOqfr5mVMO/Q/OXLDJt3QWvd3hL z2e8o1Tg93OBkPYO3T9eOGLmIXbObiT0IQoSLJrRCKybHARZCjoqiTpjFjZ/hYKO8u+W eL8jmPtZg8LAounYfgAN5PM0vngikhOU4x3v/2axvy7dbqIOtaK7uFWz9k3KJpLNGufv PRcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=43vokorejKxeQfrIb4SyYnkQMNnaDo6STDQb/1pfa/Y=; b=K45DcnezYDBh4KNWPNH+zDJaTLDNYx5EOJ4ET+GyNdx/dabFTsRdEkH61ZMrA9r23b ygqh45qSTVSbEYn0L1PNdLF5YzEWiBRIO2/R2QNNNz3RkTTEK8HWp3DHjLYWIgDn8dIu xWWY1DfB9zaDy6yDWsDtOQq9DGgRtHwF2nOUDRdFbzRJ3udBp6JXLgSb7RNPG7vht61b rbkUrSVmSZ349XGE0M5JC5YlvsnUXboAyzvoWczIB2lv4r/kgxcwiwNVerORebxHBnl7 RHamixQtZIz2uhnPk2GXid04rqWRBX5D+YxtBNsUzFFnjs9g+wIyLw5VnsNbMbXnHVAW VRJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouutI74a4wcteNgq+WZb/jeGSSp/dnOwHuK6fuG6fGsv+bhPgmt0Yky41y2+GgrefUlcLiP+b3nR1fjysQ== X-Received: by 10.176.80.47 with SMTP id b44mr8345530uaa.135.1471027074892; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:37:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.153.134 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:37:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:37:53 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Update on Renesis To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c18f30a4108ff0539e42e82 --94eb2c18f30a4108ff0539e42e82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Guys, I was involved with the motorcycle street and racing world for years. We commonly used all different plugs but liked NGK the best our selves. Once after tuning a racing single 2 cycle with great attention to precision I found it wouldn't start. It had a brand new plug out of the box. Not an exotic platinum or other. went back to the original plug and it started on the first kick. got another new plug gapped and installed and it ran like a jet. examination of the faulty plug showed that they had left out the "copper core" and the gap was over an inch internally! Point is any standard production item can fail or have a manufacturing fault. Resistor plugs fail the most often. Always double check even new ones. Bill Jepson On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Stephen Izett wrote: > Hi have a standard compression test kit that has the various hoses and > threads for different plug hole sizes. > The gauge that came with it was 1/8NPT thread so just removed gauge and > screwed in sensor instead. > > Steve > > On 12 Aug 2016, at 11:52 PM, Bobby J. Hughes > wrote: > > Whats involved in swapping the regulator? Dropping the oil pan and a > skinny wrench. > > Thanks for the link. I guess I would need to fabricate an adapter to fit > in the sparkplug hole. > > 1 11811 Oil Pressure Regulator - $104.00 > $104.00 > Street 90-95 PSI 04-08 RX-8 > > > > Bobby > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net > ] > *Sent:* Friday, August 12, 2016 10:45 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Update on Renesis > > Hi Bobby. > > No idea on the plug change. Haven=E2=80=99t changed anything. > I had previously had one of the plugs fail as I tested it on top of the > motor in diagnostic mode? > Whether it was part of a bad batch. I don=E2=80=99t know how plugs go bad= . > > I thought the gap was similar. Not sure what tracy has in the EC2 that ma= y > be attenuating its signal. > I haven=E2=80=99t checked the calibration of the oil sender, but was a li= ttle > concerned about the pressure being a bit low. > Interesting your was also low. Whats involved in swapping the regulator? > > Pressure Transducer - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ > 331877999223?_trksid=3Dp2057872.m2749.l2649&var=3D540943937361& > ssPageName=3DSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT > > > Cheers > > Steve > > > On 12 Aug 2016, at 9:34 PM, Bobby J. Hughes > wrote: > > > Any theory as to how the plug change corrected the problem? Plug wire > routing change? > > CAS (Primary is 4.8vPk-Pk and Backup 1.9vPk-Pk????) - Back up CAS has a > larger gap to the trigger wheel? > > I wonder what HP she is making - Me too! > > Oil Pressure 56PSI - I had similar oil pressure and swapped the stock > 2004 regulator for the Racing Beat Street 90-95 PSI. I now see 88-92 psi = at > all but idle rpm. I have carburetor jets in the e-shaft oil ports. > > > > > Can you point me to the $22 pressure transducer you used to capture the > pressure plots? > > Bobby > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net > ] > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:00 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Update on Renesis > > Hi Guys > Today we got back into finding the terrible missing breakdown problem wit= h > the Renesis. > We had a list of faultfinding paths to follow but solved it with the firs= t > change. > Turned out to be the plugs. Swapped in the NGKBR10EIX (after grinding dow= n > a plug socket) and no more problem. > > So she now does the following I think reasonably rich: > WOT Prop set fine 7467 RPM 29.8 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s 164= 7&1497 > 23.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 68PSI > WOT Prop set course 5407 RPM 30.3 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s 1579&1494 16.7 GP= H Fuel > Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 56PSI > > The EM3 fuel flow is not calibrated yet so not sure how close the GPH > likely to be and therefore power levels. > I wonder what HP she is making. > > Checked the dwell: See photo showing Rotor #1 T and L signals to D585 > coils. Appears to be close to 4mSec=E2=80=99s Checked the signal from the= CAS=E2=80=99s: > See photo of signals coming from the Primary and Backup I disconnected th= e > Backup CAS and Engine still runs on B so??? (I=E2=80=99m sure I set BUSEN= SOR in the > code) Sorry about the glare on the CRO screen. > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline. > net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > --94eb2c18f30a4108ff0539e42e82 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Guys, I was involved with the motorcycle street and racing= world for years. We commonly used all different plugs but liked NGK the be= st our selves. Once after tuning a racing single 2 cycle with great attenti= on to precision I found it wouldn't start. It had a brand new plug out = of the box. Not an exotic=C2=A0platinum or other. went back to the original= plug and it started on the first kick. got another new plug gapped and ins= talled and it ran like a jet. examination of the faulty plug showed that th= ey had left out the "copper core" and the gap was over an inch in= ternally! Point is any standard production item can fail or have a manufact= uring fault. Resistor plugs fail the most often. Always double check even n= ew ones.

Bill Jepson

On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Stephen = Izett <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Hi have a st= andard compression test kit that has the various hoses and threads for diff= erent plug hole sizes.
The gauge that came with it was 1/8NPT thread so= just removed gauge and screwed in sensor instead.

Steve

O= n 12 Aug 2016, at 11:52 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> w= rote:

Whats involved in swapping the re= gulator?=C2=A0=C2=A0 Dropping the oil pan and a skinny wrench.=C2=A0<= /span>
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Thanks for the link. I guess I would need to fabrica= te an adapter to fit in the sparkplug hole.
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=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Street 90-95 PSI 04-08 RX-8<= u>
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Bobby
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From:=C2=A0Rotary motors in a= ircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net]=C2=A0
Sent:=C2=A0Frid= ay, August 12, 2016 10:45 AM
To:=C2=A0Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:=C2=A0[F= lyRotary] Re: Update on Renesis
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Hi Bobby.
= =C2=A0
No idea on the plug ch= ange. Haven=E2=80=99t changed anything.
=C2=A0I had previously had one of the plugs fail as I tes= ted it on top of the motor in diagnostic mode?
Whether it was part of a bad batch. I don=E2=80=99= t know how plugs go bad.
=C2=A0
I thought th= e gap was similar. Not sure what tracy has in the EC2 that may be attenuati= ng its signal.
I haven= =E2=80=99t checked the calibration of the oil sender, but was a little conc= erned about the pressure being a bit low.
Interesting your was also low. Whats involved in swappi= ng the regulator?
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Cheers
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On 12 Aug 2016= , at 9:34 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
=C2=A0

Any theory as to how the plug change corrected the problem? Plu= g wire routing change? =C2=A0

CAS (Primary is 4.8vPk-Pk and Backup 1= .9vPk-Pk????) - Back up CAS has a larger gap to the trigger wheel?

I= wonder what HP she is making - Me too!

Oil Pressure 56PSI - =C2=A0I= had similar oil pressure and swapped the stock 2004 regulator for the Raci= ng Beat Street 90-95 PSI. I now see 88-92 psi at all but idle rpm. I have c= arburetor jets in the e-shaft oil ports.=C2=A0

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Can you point me to the $22 pressure transducer you us= ed to capture the pressure plots?=C2=A0

Bobby=C2= =A0

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in airc= raft [mailto:flyrotary@lancairo= nline.net]=C2=A0
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:00 AM<= br>To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Update on Renesis<= br>
Hi Guys
Today we got back into finding the terrible missing break= down problem with the Renesis.
We had a list of faultfinding paths to fo= llow but solved it with the first change.
Turned out to be the plugs. Sw= apped in the NGKBR10EIX (after grinding down a plug socket) and no more pro= blem.

So she now does the following I think reasonably rich:
WOT = Prop set fine=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A07= 467 RPM 29.8 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s 1647&1497 23.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PS= I Oil Pressure 68PSI
WOT Prop set course=C2=A0=C2=A0<= /span>5407 RPM 30.3 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s 1579&1494 16.7 GPH Fuel Pressu= re 43PSI Oil Pressure 56PSI

The EM3 fuel flow is not calibrated yet = so not sure how close the GPH likely to be and therefore power levels.
I= wonder what HP she is making.

Checked the dwell: See photo showing = Rotor #1 T and L signals to D585 coils. Appears to be close to 4mSec=E2=80= =99s Checked the signal from the CAS=E2=80=99s: See photo of signals coming= from the Primary and Backup I disconnected the Backup CAS and Engine still= runs on B so??? (I=E2=80=99m sure I set BUSENSOR in the code) Sorry about = the glare on the CRO screen.

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