X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Stephen Izett" Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com ([209.85.220.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8870952 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:01:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.42; envelope-from=steveize@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id fi15so9827105pac.1 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:01:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to; bh=Zm3WUCxpC5dDc8jNQ7Azg3Viu4mAJKhRu3aHXnJVS2c=; b=KYkVE2SrykYANxhC2jN2Wyqfc6kthe17do0afz9/knjV+0mzuX3xZuXy6ZH4f0RGqO SraIk3w7DI2PlUIQI8dGNxeldHfKOsTHlx2AtQu5i+LYZnNjl8+XTaC1HawcGGFCjL4E iXxUGxVgtwNPiWhgLTvNIkXcklEiifmLB5kGSJZSkDaF/d59XCG3mOTslTbTROwpNmNV 6GWO8m5nzaiHIOJ35BHVVZSOuupcwaXDmSmmBMIRFlbIIkvdPip5EUmPhOB1MTyioWw5 Epc9QxFKW6P6nSnSnVROEPN8J/xKzapjXyqfLko3u8I3gyc5j/AkWyIBCePgU3Zo6kre x+eQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :references:to:in-reply-to; bh=Zm3WUCxpC5dDc8jNQ7Azg3Viu4mAJKhRu3aHXnJVS2c=; b=Zho6U98YvpUuj4nd3oXypRy/e0KlWKH5XNc5coRyCgMyPRAoMzQZ44W0IGlZBdXE5J xaodf1Dq7RpmyxiTpRKoqZuBHz+C73RDnbysU7nRel8le89bFsSNTyA6niF41zQ+4An9 hRmUFInYkl0M2r0cnpyX2rBaq29BOdgCreNzI0ydowgj2dleoOhkogJePSd1A5iBjJHp PZtrbBJFUOVp2RG3WvrgPtXT28LxQkSZDRKGSDQLwa1mZdEk9OkDt/LqZNDOihAsq/+i jKBieOyLLCeW0plePeDAjtBc8Ge7dr88e6BXcTaBpd3XokIj7Op7i+O350+khwg8AioW NBJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvnNg7CgTLP21OTgoSH7EoblHaUYwIOupu8ak6wA3ujZmYacSMguYseZSErZqbVUg== X-Received: by 10.66.158.104 with SMTP id wt8mr28369283pab.64.1471017671582; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.1.1.5] (124-148-220-116.dyn.iinet.net.au. [124.148.220.116]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p9sm14126520pfj.3.2016.08.12.09.01.08 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Aug 2016 09:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Stephen Izett Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_62133467-B542-43D4-9515-EC91E6F7C8A8" Message-Id: <03F54B48-4E4B-4405-9329-69C60A0C7F1B@icloud.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Update on Renesis Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 00:01:05 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) --Apple-Mail=_62133467-B542-43D4-9515-EC91E6F7C8A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi have a standard compression test kit that has the various hoses and = threads for different plug hole sizes. The gauge that came with it was 1/8NPT thread so just removed gauge and = screwed in sensor instead. Steve > On 12 Aug 2016, at 11:52 PM, Bobby J. Hughes = wrote: >=20 > Whats involved in swapping the regulator? Dropping the oil pan and a = skinny wrench.=20 > =20 > Thanks for the link. I guess I would need to fabricate an adapter to = fit in the sparkplug hole. > =20 > 1 11811 Oil Pressure Regulator - $104.00 = $104.00 > Street 90-95 PSI 04-08 RX-8 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Bobby > =20 > =20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net = ]=20 > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 10:45 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Update on Renesis > =20 > Hi Bobby. > =20 > No idea on the plug change. Haven=E2=80=99t changed anything. > I had previously had one of the plugs fail as I tested it on top of = the motor in diagnostic mode? > Whether it was part of a bad batch. I don=E2=80=99t know how plugs go = bad. > =20 > I thought the gap was similar. Not sure what tracy has in the EC2 that = may be attenuating its signal. > I haven=E2=80=99t checked the calibration of the oil sender, but was a = little concerned about the pressure being a bit low. > Interesting your was also low. Whats involved in swapping the = regulator? > =20 > Pressure Transducer - = http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331877999223?_trksid=3Dp2057872.m2749.l2649&var= =3D540943937361&ssPageName=3DSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT = > =20 > Cheers > =20 > Steve > =20 > On 12 Aug 2016, at 9:34 PM, Bobby J. Hughes = > = wrote: > =20 > Any theory as to how the plug change corrected the problem? Plug wire = routing change? =20 >=20 > CAS (Primary is 4.8vPk-Pk and Backup 1.9vPk-Pk????) - Back up CAS has = a larger gap to the trigger wheel? >=20 > I wonder what HP she is making - Me too! >=20 > Oil Pressure 56PSI - I had similar oil pressure and swapped the stock = 2004 regulator for the Racing Beat Street 90-95 PSI. I now see 88-92 psi = at all but idle rpm. I have carburetor jets in the e-shaft oil ports.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 > Can you point me to the $22 pressure transducer you used to capture = the pressure plots?=20 >=20 > Bobby=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net = ]=20 > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:00 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Update on Renesis >=20 > Hi Guys > Today we got back into finding the terrible missing breakdown problem = with the Renesis. > We had a list of faultfinding paths to follow but solved it with the = first change. > Turned out to be the plugs. Swapped in the NGKBR10EIX (after grinding = down a plug socket) and no more problem. >=20 > So she now does the following I think reasonably rich: > WOT Prop set fine 7467 RPM 29.8 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s = 1647&1497 23.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 68PSI > WOT Prop set course 5407 RPM 30.3 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s 1579&1494 16.7 = GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 56PSI >=20 > The EM3 fuel flow is not calibrated yet so not sure how close the GPH = likely to be and therefore power levels. > I wonder what HP she is making. >=20 > Checked the dwell: See photo showing Rotor #1 T and L signals to D585 = coils. Appears to be close to 4mSec=E2=80=99s Checked the signal from = the CAS=E2=80=99s: See photo of signals coming from the Primary and = Backup I disconnected the Backup CAS and Engine still runs on B so??? = (I=E2=80=99m sure I set BUSENSOR in the code) Sorry about the glare on = the CRO screen. >=20 > =20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html = --Apple-Mail=_62133467-B542-43D4-9515-EC91E6F7C8A8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi have a standard compression test kit that has the various = hoses and threads for different plug hole sizes.
The = gauge that came with it was 1/8NPT thread so just removed gauge and = screwed in sensor instead.

Steve

On 12 Aug 2016, at 11:52 PM, = Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Whats involved in = swapping the regulator?   Dropping the oil pan and a skinny = wrench. 
 
Thanks= for the link. I guess I would need to fabricate an adapter to fit in = the sparkplug hole.
 
  1   11811    =   Oil Pressure Regulator = -            &= nbsp; $104.00          = $104.00
          &nb= sp;      Street 90-95 PSI 04-08 RX-8
 
 
 
Bobby
 
 
From: Rotary = motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 = 10:45 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Update on = Renesis
 
Hi Bobby.
 
No idea on the plug change. Haven=E2=80=99t changed = anything.
 I had previously had one of the = plugs fail as I tested it on top of the motor in diagnostic mode?
Whether it was part of a bad batch. I don=E2=80=99t know how = plugs go bad.
 
I thought the gap was similar. Not sure what tracy = has in the EC2 that may be attenuating its signal.
I haven=E2=80=99t checked the calibration of the oil sender, = but was a little concerned about the pressure being a bit low.
Interesting your was also low. Whats involved in swapping the = regulator?
 
Pressure Transducer - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331877999223?_trksid=3Dp2057872.m274= 9.l2649&var=3D540943937361&ssPageName=3DSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 
Cheers
 
Steve
 
On 12 Aug 2016, at = 9:34 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
 

Any theory as to how the plug = change corrected the problem? Plug wire routing change?  

CAS (Primary is 4.8vPk-Pk and Backup = 1.9vPk-Pk????) - Back up CAS has a larger gap to the trigger wheel?

I wonder what HP she is making - Me too!

Oil Pressure 56PSI -  I had similar oil = pressure and swapped the stock 2004 regulator for the Racing Beat Street = 90-95 PSI. I now see 88-92 psi at all but idle rpm. I have carburetor = jets in the e-shaft oil ports. 

 


Can = you point me to the $22 pressure transducer you used to capture the = pressure plots? 

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors = in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] 
Sent: = Friday, August 12, 2016 6:00 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Update on Renesis

Hi Guys
Today we got back into = finding the terrible missing breakdown problem with the Renesis.
We had a list of faultfinding paths to follow but solved it = with the first change.
Turned out to be the plugs. Swapped = in the NGKBR10EIX (after grinding down a plug socket) and no more = problem.

So she now does the following I = think reasonably rich:
WOT Prop set fine        &= nbsp;         7467 RPM 29.8 Inches = EGT=E2=80=99s 1647&1497 23.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure = 68PSI
WOT Prop set course  5407 RPM 30.3 Inches = EGT=E2=80=99s 1579&1494 16.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure = 56PSI

The EM3 fuel flow is not calibrated = yet so not sure how close the GPH likely to be and therefore power = levels.
I wonder what HP she is making.

Checked the dwell: See photo showing Rotor #1 T and L signals = to D585 coils. Appears to be close to 4mSec=E2=80=99s Checked the signal = from the CAS=E2=80=99s: See photo of signals coming from the Primary and = Backup I disconnected the Backup CAS and Engine still runs on B so??? = (I=E2=80=99m sure I set BUSENSOR in the code) Sorry about the glare on = the CRO screen.

        &= nbsp;   
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