X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Stephen Izett" Received: from mail-pf0-f174.google.com ([209.85.192.174] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8870907 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 11:45:11 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.192.174; envelope-from=steveize@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y134so10214363pfg.0 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to; bh=5YJlArDgGtQwv+KmuMMjkbw0Ep972pSDUncWWD3aoww=; b=bbLNkfAgns+yQMJRkg08JZ3I6iD7DHLyGqHHOnLKuZYSt84Y2V46m6KNA7Ble7vc12 +70lz0Oa49TeUh8I3MqSY+s5Z/b9wHVsps6YxHZjKEkRYhAfDkZm0tgbvyHOm6RWwu2H 2zBIjAUgcWCZxcSf7qphd8jrb1DCYI9Kn3DophCh8/CK24Uqy56pcyBB/rXAbNY109j1 9rFll56vQ4N+VNBdJWJgbcJzTp58TIdlY8PtkjLAqQzLm7SEzouvGYkv3Fn3FUmIEzrI THhAf9Vt3SsN3wUHz/ux7NLb+pMCaaz+1y6lgGREzS+S0hH9R5l6S3UtcBo21q04t/Ud t0xw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :references:to:in-reply-to; bh=5YJlArDgGtQwv+KmuMMjkbw0Ep972pSDUncWWD3aoww=; b=TDRSD9xbkNudjp50u/BsJCytovrfXBTz1DbAq/9oDslIat4nP52Zm4U45WwYxnzHEr BDTQXbCJs+Y8NeArb8CixVW1zSfpsk1Uust1gKOFvjDAZEnVe/qXSjCxNHV9f453JKNQ yznpltNyM1FgumMSw1YtRyVMAOmUMe67gdOQmB90zIVIUCc2exsCQXBnWd5NyIZ9g+N+ Jl1qVnd/FSqUCifIITl79KIt0cXFm1n3whOVVIBqb/ENKaaTZYIYE2LFxAhwyCkOYIUw nieVl2upzWqFS3UyKnHXwlA9b8fc0IS9HZtDsC/hvO28IyYq0MB6qSGEzKalyq8mfBZ3 FNvQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouuOqJ5gLks0m/L2OIAjDVMIKUqqc1+DcaKa/MQ+H5GaxG7PrDl83wfSbphxzbnFOA== X-Received: by 10.98.13.84 with SMTP id v81mr28470972pfi.108.1471016692286; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 08:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.1.1.5] (124-148-220-116.dyn.iinet.net.au. [124.148.220.116]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id vt10sm14011294pab.43.2016.08.12.08.44.49 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Aug 2016 08:44:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Original-From: Stephen Izett Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A54D1512-2637-4DC8-9104-D3FA52A1A48E" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Update on Renesis Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 23:44:46 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) --Apple-Mail=_A54D1512-2637-4DC8-9104-D3FA52A1A48E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Bobby. No idea on the plug change. Haven=E2=80=99t changed anything. I had previously had one of the plugs fail as I tested it on top of the = motor in diagnostic mode? Whether it was part of a bad batch. I don=E2=80=99t know how plugs go = bad. I thought the gap was similar. Not sure what tracy has in the EC2 that = may be attenuating its signal. I haven=E2=80=99t checked the calibration of the oil sender, but was a = little concerned about the pressure being a bit low. Interesting your was also low. Whats involved in swapping the regulator? Pressure Transducer - = http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331877999223?_trksid=3Dp2057872.m2749.l2649&var= =3D540943937361&ssPageName=3DSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT = Cheers Steve > On 12 Aug 2016, at 9:34 PM, Bobby J. Hughes = wrote: >=20 > Any theory as to how the plug change corrected the problem? Plug wire = routing change? =20 >=20 > CAS (Primary is 4.8vPk-Pk and Backup 1.9vPk-Pk????) - Back up CAS has = a larger gap to the trigger wheel? >=20 > I wonder what HP she is making - Me too! >=20 > Oil Pressure 56PSI - I had similar oil pressure and swapped the stock = 2004 regulator for the Racing Beat Street 90-95 PSI. I now see 88-92 psi = at all but idle rpm. I have carburetor jets in the e-shaft oil ports.=20 >=20 > Can you point me to the $22 pressure transducer you used to capture = the pressure plots?=20 >=20 > Bobby=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20= > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:00 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Update on Renesis >=20 > Hi Guys > Today we got back into finding the terrible missing breakdown problem = with the Renesis. > We had a list of faultfinding paths to follow but solved it with the = first change. > Turned out to be the plugs. Swapped in the NGKBR10EIX (after grinding = down a plug socket) and no more problem. >=20 > So she now does the following I think reasonably rich: > WOT Prop set fine 7467 RPM 29.8 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s = 1647&1497 23.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 68PSI > WOT Prop set course 5407 RPM 30.3 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s 1579&1494 = 16.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 56PSI >=20 > The EM3 fuel flow is not calibrated yet so not sure how close the GPH = likely to be and therefore power levels. > I wonder what HP she is making. >=20 > Checked the dwell: See photo showing Rotor #1 T and L signals to D585 = coils. Appears to be close to 4mSec=E2=80=99s Checked the signal from = the CAS=E2=80=99s: See photo of signals coming from the Primary and = Backup I disconnected the Backup CAS and Engine still runs on B so??? = (I=E2=80=99m sure I set BUSENSOR in the code) Sorry about the glare on = the CRO screen. >=20 > =20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --Apple-Mail=_A54D1512-2637-4DC8-9104-D3FA52A1A48E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Bobby.

No idea on the plug change. Haven=E2=80=99t changed = anything.
 I had previously had one of the = plugs fail as I tested it on top of the motor in diagnostic = mode?
Whether it was part of a bad batch. I don=E2=80= =99t know how plugs go bad.

I thought the gap was similar. Not sure what tracy has in = the EC2 that may be attenuating its signal.
I = haven=E2=80=99t checked the calibration of the oil sender, but was a = little concerned about the pressure being a bit low.
Interesting your was also low. Whats involved in swapping the = regulator?

Pressure Transducer - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331877999223?_trksid=3Dp2057872.m274= 9.l2649&var=3D540943937361&ssPageName=3DSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Cheers

Steve

On 12 Aug 2016, at 9:34 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Any = theory as to how the plug change corrected the problem? Plug wire = routing change?  

CAS (Primary is = 4.8vPk-Pk and Backup 1.9vPk-Pk????) - Back up CAS has a larger gap to = the trigger wheel?

I wonder what HP she is = making - Me too!

Oil Pressure 56PSI - =  I had similar oil pressure and swapped the stock 2004 regulator = for the Racing Beat Street 90-95 PSI. I now see 88-92 psi at all but = idle rpm. I have carburetor jets in the e-shaft oil ports.



Can you point me to the $22 pressure = transducer you used to capture the pressure plots?

Bobby

-----Original = Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: = Friday, August 12, 2016 6:00 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Update on Renesis

Hi Guys
Today we got back into = finding the terrible missing breakdown problem with the Renesis.
We had a list of faultfinding paths to follow but solved it = with the first change.
Turned out to be the plugs. Swapped = in the NGKBR10EIX (after grinding down a plug socket) and no more = problem.

So she now does the following I = think reasonably rich:
WOT Prop set fine 7467 RPM = 29.8 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s 1647&1497 23.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil = Pressure 68PSI
WOT Prop set course 5407 RPM = 30.3 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s 1579&1494 16.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil = Pressure 56PSI

The EM3 fuel flow is not = calibrated yet so not sure how close the GPH likely to be and therefore = power levels.
I wonder what HP she is making.

Checked the dwell: See photo showing Rotor #1 = T and L signals to D585 coils. Appears to be close to 4mSec=E2=80=99s = Checked the signal from the CAS=E2=80=99s: See photo of signals coming = from the Primary and Backup I disconnected the Backup CAS and Engine = still runs on B so??? (I=E2=80=99m sure I set BUSENSOR in the code) = Sorry about the glare on the CRO screen.

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