X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Charlie England" Received: from mail-pa0-f52.google.com ([209.85.220.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.7) with ESMTPS id 8184737 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 22 Nov 2015 18:02:53 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.52; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by pacdm15 with SMTP id dm15so172076612pac.3 for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:02:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=U/oN5OdN5wcvtNB4uuLbh9T1BpO/Q4Akk21MKrLfOr0=; b=rVjND+NP1WQWfet20sBBMOX+tyinU1tCyW5h2qJa8OODibzB9CKZy+RVYKks/QKZZL dQa6CfVJapra5CqtDxC9I+JA3xM5ttWXpIsLYyUYTAiT6K22z4L7vcq9M/EV8AcgbIGo ZMJj+MAlxYCMCbvmrEEJBaRdYBex4lOXQgRv4oC9w8Vj0hSKY7snW3VEKWLwKQj1aTSU bp9TG4JLm61FrnQq58YLyieu2s5FTUA7voKnId4XyJHxjhhA8Ti/ol4aAxNN2d1jBcdK SN9knwUUzVr8vsXSVedz+8h9azwf1dqGcVlz9lR+aXHtJnLb3cgzy97vp+4Bc/JOw6yT qPUw== X-Received: by 10.98.65.206 with SMTP id g75mr12605456pfd.105.1448233357749; Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:02:37 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:25fb:3369:9d2b:2105:a5cf:565b? ([2602:306:25fb:3369:9d2b:2105:a5cf:565b]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id sy5sm7814385pac.5.2015.11.22.15.02.36 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:02:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Request for Performance specs on VAF To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <565249AB.7020208@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 17:03:07 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090505070608040307090702" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090505070608040307090702 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Steve. I assume that all three measurements were at full throttle, right? (MAP ~=ambient air pressure?) Haven't you flown with a regular wood prop in the past? Was it faster than the Warp Drive, or about the same speed? And if I'm reading correctly, you still have your 'stock' radiators installed & had just blocked off the airflow to the stock coolers? Charlie On 11/22/2015 4:17 PM, Steven W. Boese wrote: > Charlie, > > The following data can be forwarded to the VAF thread as you see fit: > > The data are averages for stabilized cruise portions of cross country flights with a single 7x16.5x2.25" radiator core in a belly mounted scoop. The Altrak altitude hold was engaged and the data was recorded by the Dynon EFIS and EMS at 3 second intervals. The stock cooling air inlets were blocked with flat foam plugs with about 2 sq in openings in each to supply some air flow through the cowl. > > RV-6A, wheel and gear leg fairings installed. > Mazda 13B engine, normally aspirated. > RWS RD1A PSRU, 2.18:1 reduction ratio. > Warp Drive HP propeller, 3 blade 68" dia, 16.5 degree pitch at tip. > Belly mounted scoop for cooling, containing coolant radiator and oil to coolant heat exchanger, variable air outlet. > Auxiliary coolant radiator in cowl, thermostat controlled coolant flow, variable air inlet. > > Stabilized cruise averages: > date 8/15/2015 8/15/2015 8/16/2015 > duration (min) 20 40 70 > ALT (ft) 9530 11530 10593 > DA (ft) 12446 14294 13078 > OAT (deg F) 69 59 59 > MAP (in Hg) 20.8 19.2 19.0 > RPM 5747 5712 5591 > CAS (knots) 116 112 112 > TAS (knots) 145 143 141 > FF (gal/hr) 8.75 8.15 7.76 > wt (lb) 1745 1715 1710 > > Coolant T in from > cowl rad (deg F) 177 164 125 > > Coolant T in from > scoop rad (deg F) 184 181 179 > > Coolant T out (deg F) 190 187 185 > Oil T out (deg F) 226 222 216 > Oil T in (deg F) 205 202 198 > > As possible point of interest, a more recent test flight with a V shaped radiator with two 7x16.5x2.25" cores in the scoop was made. In the cruise condition with a 114 degree F air temperature rise through the scoop radiator, the aircraft TAS was 143 knots and the scoop outlet air velocity was measured to be 157 knots TAS. > > Steve Boese > RV6A, 1986 13B NA, RD1A, EC2 > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --------------090505070608040307090702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Thanks, Steve. I assume that all three measurements were at full throttle, right? (MAP ~=ambient air pressure?)

Haven't you flown with a regular wood prop in the past? Was it faster than the Warp Drive, or about the same speed?

And if I'm reading correctly, you still have your 'stock' radiators installed & had just blocked off the airflow to the stock coolers?

Charlie

On 11/22/2015 4:17 PM, Steven W. Boese wrote:
Charlie,

The following data can be forwarded to the VAF thread as you see fit:

The data are averages for stabilized cruise portions of cross country flights with a single 7x16.5x2.25" radiator core in a belly mounted scoop.  The Altrak altitude hold was engaged and the data was recorded by the Dynon EFIS and EMS at 3 second intervals.  The stock cooling air inlets were blocked with flat foam plugs with about 2 sq in openings in each to supply some air flow through the cowl.   

RV-6A, wheel and gear leg fairings installed.			
Mazda 13B engine, normally aspirated.			
RWS RD1A PSRU, 2.18:1 reduction ratio.			
Warp Drive HP propeller, 3 blade 68" dia, 16.5 degree pitch at tip.			
Belly mounted scoop for cooling, containing coolant radiator and oil to coolant heat exchanger, variable air outlet.			
Auxiliary coolant radiator in cowl, thermostat controlled coolant flow, variable air inlet.			
			
Stabilized cruise averages:			
date	                     8/15/2015      8/15/2015      8/16/2015
duration (min)               20                      40                    70
ALT (ft)                        9530               11530             10593
DA (ft)                       12446               14294             13078
OAT (deg F)                     69                     59                    59
MAP (in Hg)                  20.8                 19.2                 19.0
RPM                               5747                5712               5591
CAS (knots)                     116                  112                  112
TAS (knots)                     145                  143                  141
FF (gal/hr)                      8.75                 8.15                7.76
wt (lb)                            1745                1715               1710

Coolant T in from 
cowl rad (deg F)              177                  164                 125

Coolant T in from 
scoop rad (deg F)            184                  181                 179

Coolant T out (deg F)      190                  187                185
Oil T out (deg F)               226                  222                216
Oil T in (deg F)                  205                  202                198

As possible point of interest, a more recent test flight with a V shaped radiator with two 7x16.5x2.25" cores in the scoop was made.  In the cruise condition with a 114 degree F air temperature rise through the scoop radiator, the aircraft TAS was 143 knots and the scoop outlet air velocity was measured to be 157 knots TAS. 

Steve Boese
RV6A, 1986 13B NA, RD1A, EC2


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