X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.220.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.6) with ESMTPS id 8055642 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 16:49:03 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.41; envelope-from=christamarmc@gmail.com Received: by pacfv12 with SMTP id fv12so31977342pac.2 for ; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:48:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :message-id:date:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=lu3RyZolfMDdbQvK9QUjvq5SBPDo20eZpcipyFNdbdI=; b=MQXF0pAAJUmxukyvx1NzX9veoGwhTRFC9VRnr+4286c5bB77ezJIhBvj+53bimWAVo Kq3xuLBvyfhVUONm9nyY48T8gDqsavyy/IeY6XAhN6uLb0BBEDKAxzV8TLFgW71+ba5V wKdnzHcd8DLCAzO2a+p95rW1bdrgXvKi7P6by0XUwVAEXSAmuBYbFcEIjLPSv19iF6IH f6GMJTZfTZKsIjMepR6Qt6iizpAJgCqoDy2x0iM5L2sBieiRyrkvyt4PrPX3hUg6dOZ+ keX2zUpaLfmBGUR9yaUcr0IdAVFnT1dRc1IS/uMvCsBSQEp7+2PiAlViU45OezuPo3yi O23Q== X-Received: by 10.68.213.164 with SMTP id nt4mr3366601pbc.100.1444250910974; Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.4] (41.12.148.122.sta.dodo.net.au. [122.148.12.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gy2sm22048781pbc.8.2015.10.07.13.48.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Oct 2015 13:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-235735C8-0892-479D-A291-4BF4B4F347F9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: To P or not... Message-Id: Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 06:48:27 +1000 References: In-Reply-To: To: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Mailer: iPad Mail (12F69) --Apple-Mail-235735C8-0892-479D-A291-4BF4B4F347F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would have to agree, from what I've heard as well over the years when turb= os tend to be installed there is added complexity and issues to go along wit= h it, and failures and heat etc. With my current low drag radiator installs I can run wot and not see temps o= ver 93-95 now. And has been very reliable, I wasn't to concerned into runner lengths with m= y design and made a simple plenum chamber and with the prince p tip prop see= ms to be an excellent combo. My airstrip is at 3000 ft and I can still get airborne on a normal 25 c day i= n 350 mtrs,=20 Hope this helps Cheers Sent from my iPad > On 8 Oct 2015, at 5:33 am, Tom Mann wrote: >=20 > Whenever the topic comes up about adding a turbo to a Rotary I go back to w= hat was the reasoning I used when making the decision to go Rotary in the fi= rst place. > My reasoning was to eliminate as much mechanical complexity as I possibly c= ould. If I added a turbo then the level of complexity (and weight) went up. > I reasoned that if I needed (or just plain wanted) additional power, I wou= ld just add another rotor. That actually gives me more power that the turbo f= or where I need it most and the weight comparison is negligible for the trad= e-off in power/complexity. > =20 > I believe that a 2 rotor (using Mistral Engines as a benchmark) produces 1= 90hp N/A (291 lbs) vs. 230hp Turbo (328 lb). The three rotor generates 300 h= p @ 375 lb so yes, it=E2=80=99s it=E2=80=99s roughly +50 lbs but +70 hp as w= ell without a significant increase in complexity. > =20 > I opted for the 3-rotor solution. Less things to go wrong (which is import= ant to me.) > =20 > T Mann > =20 --Apple-Mail-235735C8-0892-479D-A291-4BF4B4F347F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would have to agree, from what I've h= eard as well over the years when turbos tend to be installed there is added c= omplexity and issues to go along with it, and failures and heat etc.
With my current low drag radiator installs I can run wot and not see temp= s over 93-95 now.
And has been very reliable, I wasn't to concerne= d into runner lengths with my design and made a simple plenum chamber and wi= th the prince p tip prop seems to be an excellent combo.
My airstr= ip is at 3000 ft and I can still get airborne on a normal 25 c day in 350 mt= rs, 
Hope this helps

Cheers

S= ent from my iPad

On 8 Oct 2015, at 5:33 am, Tom Mann <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= ; wrote:

Whenever the topic comes up about addi= ng a turbo=20 to a Rotary I go back to what was the reasoning I used when making the decis= ion=20 to go Rotary in the first place.
My reasoning was to eliminate as much m= echanical=20 complexity as I possibly could. If I added a turbo then the level of complex= ity=20 (and weight) went up.
I reasoned that if I needed (or just p= lain wanted)=20 additional power, I would just add another rotor. That actually gives me mor= e=20 power that the turbo for where I need it most and the weight comparison is=20= negligible for the trade-off in power/complexity.
 
I believe that a 2 rotor (using Mistra= l Engines as=20 a benchmark) produces 190hp N/A (291 lbs) vs. 230hp Turbo (328 lb). The thre= e=20 rotor generates 300 hp @ 375 lb so yes, it=E2=80=99s it=E2=80=99s roughly +5= 0 lbs but +70 hp as=20 well without a significant increase in complexity.
 
I opted for the 3-rotor solution. Less= things to=20 go wrong (which is important to me.)
 
T Mann
 
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