X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Kelly Troyer" Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2) with ESMTPS id 7689667 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 13 May 2015 16:12:55 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.169; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by obblk2 with SMTP id lk2so38567923obb.0 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:12:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=witpc0L3Usxf+DzPb92JzwbaUZ94YNjxoCWd8kCr4FI=; b=tFLd5UcyVOkiajieCxg5NPvNcRMX7ApzCRoRtU1Wb16j7df7W9zkBROV/HyN2AQcnb d7NbJEQZ28XdreyEk1Db1UJpuDUIDY0qMdbHaT/EZBCaQ0cys75DYCh28gKnvOLSxLIF eiLzIfpTnCNcM1aPpDqpkAx4KwEIqRcCD8krujeo2Qx9tAvG+Gs5+zQScOhlGNxoT2F1 7pYaTQ0AOuetYCWRMqLUi1YD2J9DIJvxVxYPXZCzfAGMkLFqVXCwmzedW+GsyTo3oXs0 m8Z9CUWIjzXCw1IJbNtroT+HKqQxS+lp9c8sevZtfm3kTy6wej9H4LwVXbZimqyeMiFJ 2qkA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.133.40 with SMTP id oz8mr552638obb.68.1431547941311; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:12:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.172.23 with HTTP; Wed, 13 May 2015 13:12:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 15:12:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=e89a8ff1ce14857e520515fc3abb --e89a8ff1ce14857e520515fc3abb Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1ce14857e4f0515fc3aba --e89a8ff1ce14857e4f0515fc3aba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bobby, You have one of the last series with the reinforced dowel area..........Only C & D series have them........Great catch !!............. Kelly On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Bobby J. Hughes < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Kelly, > > > > Serial number is D177. Bobby > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:41 PM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > photo of bottom > > > > Bobby, > > > > Curious as to the serial # (A,B,C,D XXX) of your 20B.........I > purchased Rob Johnson's > > unused early (Before reinforced dowel area side plates) 20B serial #A304 > recently... He > > purchased it in about 1997 for his Velocity and did not use > it..........Amazing how small a > > package that 250+ hp is after removing about 100 lbs of turbos and other > unneeded parts > > from it........ > > > > > > Kelly Troyer > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Bobby J. Hughes < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > Kelly, > > > > No weight and balance issues with the RV10 and 20B. The aluminum plates > would be nice but not in the budget. > > > > Bobby > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:17 AM > > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > photo of bottom > > > > Bobby, > > Can your ship handle the extra weight or are you thinking of replacing > some of > > the iron side plate with alum plates such as those from "Racing Beat" ? > > > > Kelly troyer > > > > On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Ed Anderson > wrote: > > Well, I found that like anything else the Plugs up installation has its > pros and cons. > > > > However, the only real con was the lack of vendor support for Plugs Up. > > > > Having the exhaust outlet on the bottom simplified plumbing, also reduce > chance of fuel from injectors falling directly on a hot exhaust. No > problem with flooding the engine. I did it a few times, but 4=E2=80=945 = revs of > the engine pumped all the excess fuel out the exhaust ports and of course > the spark plug holes being on top did not collect fuel. It also provided > room under the cowl for longer intake runners =E2=80=93 don=E2=80=99t kno= w if that would be > the case with the 20B, but assume it would. > > > > All in all, if I did it again, I would use plugs up everything else being > the same. Oh, yes, much easier to change the spark plugs {[image: > Open-mouthed smile]} > > > > I did have to modify Tracy=E2=80=99s PRSU mounting plate slightly =E2=80= =93 moving the > starter position. > > > > Good luck on your decision, Bobby =E2=80=93 more power is always hard to = resist {[image: > Open-mouthed smile]) > > > > Ed > > > > *From:* Bobby J. Hughes > > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:04 AM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > photo of bottom > > > > Looks like a good arrangement. I=E2=80=99m still on the fence as to insta= lling the > 20B I purchased a few weeks back. If I do make the swap I=E2=80=99m consi= dering > plugs up as an option. > > > > Bobby > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:50 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > photo of bottom > > > > Hi Bobby, > > > > Found this old photo of the bottom of the oil pan which may help. The > blue fitting is naturally the drain hole at the lowest part of the sump. > > > > Ed > > > > *From:* Bobby J. Hughes > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:39 PM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > > > > Thanks Ed. The standoff is not visible in the picture but I had guessed > you did something similar. Any issues with sealing the oil pickup tube to > the block off plate and front iron? > > > > Bobby > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net > ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:23 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > > > > Hi Bobby, > > > > I believe the things you have the arrows pointing to are triangular shape= d > braces that support the oil sump to the oil pan. The are welded to top o= f > sump and plate. > > > > To access the bolts in the area of the sump, I stood the 4=E2=80=9Dx 4=E2= =80=9D tubing I > used for the sump off from the pan about 1 =E2=80=93 1 1/2=E2=80=9D. I d= id this by using a > 1=E2=80=9D x 1 1/2=E2=80=9D rectangular tube (its end=E2=80=99s plugged) = welded to both the plate > and the sump. Then 3/4=E2=80=9D dia (I think around 6 holes) holes were= drilled > through plate, standoff and sump for the oil to return to the sump =E2=80= =93 > probably best to drill holes before welding components together, but they > can be drilled from the inside plate side =E2=80=93 just make sure you ge= t all > shavings out. This stand-off also gave you access to around 3-4 pan > bolts. Depending on your set up these may or may not be a pain to > unscrew, but it can be done. > > > > The round tall blue tube served as oil fill tube and dip stick tube. It > was threaded internally at the top and a threaded plug with a hole drille= d > in it for the dip stick was used. > > > > The aluminum tubes were coolant (front) and air/oil separator (which I > took off after two years of flying with it and it collecting no oil, > because the rotary simply was not spitting any out. > > > > Ed > > > > *From:* Bobby J. Hughes > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:57 PM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > > > > Ed, > > I have a couple of question about your plug up installation. How do you > access the oil pan bolts located behind the oil reservoir and allow for o= il > drain back? Also I see what looks like an additional tube (black arrow) i= n > the attached photo. Can=E2=80=99t figure out what it=E2=80=99s for. Is it= a support > bracket? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bobby Hughes > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > ------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --=20 Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 --e89a8ff1ce14857e4f0515fc3aba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bobby,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0You have one of the last series wi= th the reinforced dowel area..........Only C & D series
have = them........Great catch !!.............

Kelly

On Wed, Ma= y 13, 2015 at 12:46 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline= .net> wrote:

Kelly,

=C2=A0

Serial number is D177.=C2=A0=C2=A0 Bobby

=C2=A0

From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] <= br>Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:41 PM


To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRot= ary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom<= /u>

= =C2=A0

Bobby,

=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Curious as to the serial # (A,B,C,D XXX) of your 20B...= ......I purchased Rob Johnson's

unused early (Before reinforced dowel area side plates) 20B ser= ial #A304 recently... He

purchased it in about 1997 for his Velocity and did not use it..........Am= azing how small a

packag= e that 250+ hp is after removing about 100 lbs of turbos and other unneeded= parts=C2=A0

from it....= ....

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kelly Troyer

=C2=A0

On Wed, May = 13, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:<= u>

Kel= ly,

=C2=A0

No weight and balance issues with the RV10 and 20B. The aluminum p= lates would be nice but not in the budget.

=C2=A0

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bobby=

=C2=A0<= u>

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent:= Wednesday, May 13, 2015 11:17 AM


To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bo= ttom

=C2=A0

Bobby,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Can your ship handle the extra weight or = are you thinking of replacing some of

the iron side plate with alum plates such as those from &quo= t;Racing Beat" ?

= =C2=A0

Kelly troyer

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Ed Anderson <flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net> wrote:

Well, I found that like anything else the Plugs up installation= has its pros and cons.

=C2=A0

However, the only real con was the lack of vendor support for Plu= gs Up.

=C2= =A0

Havin= g the exhaust outlet on the bottom simplified plumbing, also reduce chance = of fuel from injectors falling directly on a hot exhaust.=C2=A0 No problem = with flooding the engine.=C2=A0 I did it a few times, but 4=E2=80=945 revs = of the engine pumped all the excess fuel out the exhaust ports and of cours= e the spark plug holes being on top did not collect fuel.=C2=A0 It also pro= vided room under the cowl for longer intake runners =E2=80=93 don=E2=80=99t= know if that would be the case with the 20B, but assume it would.

=C2=A0

All in all, if I did it= again, I would use plugs up everything else being the same.=C2=A0 Oh, yes,= much easier to change the spark plugs {3D"Open-mouthed}

=C2= =A0

I did= have to modify Tracy=E2=80=99s PRSU mounting plate slightly =E2=80=93 movi= ng the starter position.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Good luck on your decision, Bobby =E2=80=93 more power is = always hard to resist {3D"Open-mouthed)<= /u>

=C2=A0<= u>

Ed

=C2= =A0

Sent: W= ednesday, May 13, 2015 8:04 AM

S= ubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed= Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom

=C2=A0=

Looks like a good arrangement. I=E2=80=99m still on the fence = as to installing the 20B I purchased a few weeks back. If I do make the swa= p I=E2=80=99m considering plugs up as an option.

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0

Bobby =

=C2=A0

From: Rotary motors in airc= raft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 = 4:50 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRota= ry] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom

=C2=A0

Hi Bobby,

=C2=A0

Fo= und this old photo of the bottom of the oil pan which may help.=C2=A0 The b= lue fitting is naturally the drain hole at the lowest part of the sump.

=C2=A0<= u>

Ed

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:39 PM

Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anders= on- Plugs UP Oil System

=C2=A0<= /p>

Th= anks Ed. The standoff is not visible in the picture but I had guessed=C2=A0= you did something similar. Any issues with sealing the oil pickup tube to = the block off plate and front iron?

=C2=A0

Bobby

=

=C2=A0<= /u>

From= : Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lanc= aironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:23 PM
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions= for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0

Hi Bobby,=

=C2=A0

=

I believe the things you have the a= rrows pointing to are triangular shaped braces that support the oil sump to= the oil pan.=C2=A0 The are welded to top of sump and plate.<= u>

=C2=A0

To access the bolts in the ar= ea of the sump, I stood the 4=E2=80=9Dx 4=E2=80=9D tubing I used for the su= mp off from the pan about 1 =E2=80=93 1 1/2=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I did this by u= sing a 1=E2=80=9D x 1 1/2=E2=80=9D rectangular tube (its end=E2=80=99s plug= ged) welded to both the plate and the sump.=C2=A0 Then 3/4=E2=80=9D dia=C2= =A0 (I think around 6 holes) holes were drilled through plate, standoff and= sump for the oil to return to the sump =E2=80=93 probably best to drill ho= les before welding components together, but they can be drilled from the in= side plate side =E2=80=93 just make sure you get all shavings out.=C2=A0 Th= is stand-off also gave you access to around 3-4 pan bolts.=C2=A0 Depending = on your set up these may or may not be a pain=C2=A0 to unscrew, but it can = be done.

= =C2=A0

The = round tall blue tube served as oil fill tube and dip stick tube. It was thr= eaded internally at the top and a threaded plug with a hole drilled in it f= or the dip stick was used.

=C2=A0

The aluminum tubes were coolant (front) and air/oil separator (= which I took off after two years of flying with it and it collecting no oil= , because the rotary simply was not spitting any out.<= /p>

=C2=A0

<= /div>

Ed

=C2=A0=

Sent: Tuesday, May 1= 2, 2015 2:57 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil Syste= m

=C2=A0

Ed,

I have a couple of que= stion about your plug up installation. How do you access the oil pan bolts = located behind the oil reservoir and allow for oil drain back? Also I see w= hat looks like an additional tube (black arrow) in the attached photo. Can= =E2=80=99t figure out what it=E2=80=99s for. Is it a=C2=A0 support bracket?=

=C2=A0

Thanks,

=C2=A0

Bobby Hughes

=C2=A0

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Dyke Delta_&quo= t;Eventually"
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