X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Kelly Troyer" Received: from mail-ob0-f176.google.com ([209.85.214.176] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2) with ESMTPS id 7688874 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 13 May 2015 11:17:42 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.176; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by obbkp3 with SMTP id kp3so32026295obb.3 for ; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:17:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=6nnskOQscLFuBzZpGyYzcLVAm5mKNkV0DKMEzXyUkQE=; b=QGVVZy/XjTRgQNEV5ZlQn9sVWGL6cWq9FYLhNZgEJxktGF8ZC2VO45eWXGoOi8qDbD FLpZodrDQLxuPt056DaS/L7kmXJJEhOXiVGHRiuNoOSA1jPbCv46pFLhYUEPElqUg0ff ylS+xjrRVbFbwzbvPzZCq7mVRNqHlLUOum7+2VcI7KK6CV+oVuhZ0grZbNddez3dwA3d PAG+J4FRlG61jY17N5Fl6VcJaum2JvTNOIm1Ilz+45kol7kcz6rFP76gSOl3mnLKFj4h G+ShZ4kCqkPOA34kH9FAi45jpo7m4awqz5WrI3s2gW/ra8v7st8bNYilb0ZoBl0PWxIF 47hw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.80.225 with SMTP id u1mr16789990obx.23.1431530226436; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:17:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.172.23 with HTTP; Wed, 13 May 2015 08:17:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 13 May 2015 10:17:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=047d7b2e4da6a1eea60515f81af1 --047d7b2e4da6a1eea60515f81af1 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b2e4da6a1eea00515f81af0 --047d7b2e4da6a1eea00515f81af0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bobby, Can your ship handle the extra weight or are you thinking of replacing some of the iron side plate with alum plates such as those from "Racing Beat" ? Kelly troyer On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Ed Anderson wrote: > Well, I found that like anything else the Plugs up installation has its > pros and cons. > > However, the only real con was the lack of vendor support for Plugs Up. > > Having the exhaust outlet on the bottom simplified plumbing, also reduce > chance of fuel from injectors falling directly on a hot exhaust. No > problem with flooding the engine. I did it a few times, but 4=E2=80=945 = revs of > the engine pumped all the excess fuel out the exhaust ports and of course > the spark plug holes being on top did not collect fuel. It also provided > room under the cowl for longer intake runners =E2=80=93 don=E2=80=99t kno= w if that would be > the case with the 20B, but assume it would. > > All in all, if I did it again, I would use plugs up everything else being > the same. Oh, yes, much easier to change the spark plugs {[image: > Open-mouthed smile]} > > I did have to modify Tracy=E2=80=99s PRSU mounting plate slightly =E2=80= =93 moving the > starter position. > > Good luck on your decision, Bobby =E2=80=93 more power is always hard to = resist {[image: > Open-mouthed smile]) > > Ed > > *From:* Bobby J. Hughes > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:04 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > photo of bottom > > > Looks like a good arrangement. I=E2=80=99m still on the fence as to insta= lling the > 20B I purchased a few weeks back. If I do make the swap I=E2=80=99m consi= dering > plugs up as an option. > > > > Bobby > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:50 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > photo of bottom > > > > Hi Bobby, > > > > Found this old photo of the bottom of the oil pan which may help. The > blue fitting is naturally the drain hole at the lowest part of the sump. > > > > Ed > > > > *From:* Bobby J. Hughes > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:39 PM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > > > > Thanks Ed. The standoff is not visible in the picture but I had guessed > you did something similar. Any issues with sealing the oil pickup tube to > the block off plate and front iron? > > > > Bobby > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net > ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:23 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > > > > Hi Bobby, > > > > I believe the things you have the arrows pointing to are triangular shape= d > braces that support the oil sump to the oil pan. The are welded to top o= f > sump and plate. > > > > To access the bolts in the area of the sump, I stood the 4=E2=80=9Dx 4=E2= =80=9D tubing I > used for the sump off from the pan about 1 =E2=80=93 1 1/2=E2=80=9D. I d= id this by using a > 1=E2=80=9D x 1 1/2=E2=80=9D rectangular tube (its end=E2=80=99s plugged) = welded to both the plate > and the sump. Then 3/4=E2=80=9D dia (I think around 6 holes) holes were= drilled > through plate, standoff and sump for the oil to return to the sump =E2=80= =93 > probably best to drill holes before welding components together, but they > can be drilled from the inside plate side =E2=80=93 just make sure you ge= t all > shavings out. This stand-off also gave you access to around 3-4 pan > bolts. Depending on your set up these may or may not be a pain to > unscrew, but it can be done. > > > > The round tall blue tube served as oil fill tube and dip stick tube. It > was threaded internally at the top and a threaded plug with a hole drille= d > in it for the dip stick was used. > > > > The aluminum tubes were coolant (front) and air/oil separator (which I > took off after two years of flying with it and it collecting no oil, > because the rotary simply was not spitting any out. > > > > Ed > > > > *From:* Bobby J. Hughes > > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:57 PM > > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System > > > > Ed, > > I have a couple of question about your plug up installation. How do you > access the oil pan bolts located behind the oil reservoir and allow for o= il > drain back? Also I see what looks like an additional tube (black arrow) i= n > the attached photo. Can=E2=80=99t figure out what it=E2=80=99s for. Is it= a support > bracket? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bobby Hughes > > > ------------------------------ > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > ------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4342/9756 - Release Date: 05/12/15 > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4342/9759 - Release Date: 05/12/15 > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4342/9764 - Release Date: 05/13/15 > > --047d7b2e4da6a1eea00515f81af0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Bobby,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Can your ship handle the extra wei= ght or are you thinking of replacing some of
the iron side plate = with alum plates such as those from "Racing Beat" ?
Kelly troyer

On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Ed Anderson <flyro= tary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Well, I found that like anything else the Plugs up installation has it= s=20 pros and cons.
=C2=A0
However, the only real con was the lack of vendor support for Plugs Up= .=20
=C2=A0
Having the exhaust outlet on the bottom simplified plumbing, also redu= ce=20 chance of fuel from injectors falling directly on a hot exhaust.=C2=A0 No= =20 problem with flooding the engine.=C2=A0 I did it a few times, but 4=E2=80= =945 revs of=20 the engine pumped all the excess fuel out the exhaust ports and of course t= he=20 spark plug holes being on top did not collect fuel.=C2=A0 It also provided = room=20 under the cowl for longer intake runners =E2=80=93 don=E2=80=99t know if th= at would be the case=20 with the 20B, but assume it would.
=C2=A0
All in all, if I did it again, I would use plugs up everything else be= ing=20 the same.=C2=A0 Oh, yes, much easier to change the spark plugs {3D"Open-mouthed}
=C2=A0
I did have to modify Tracy=E2=80=99s PRSU mounting plate slightly =E2= =80=93 moving the=20 starter position.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Good luck on your decision, Bobby =E2=80=93 more power is always hard = to resist=20 {3D"Open-mouthed)
=C2=A0
Ed
=C2=A0
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 8:04 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= /div>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oi= l=20 System photo of bottom
=C2=A0
=

Looks like a good arra= ngement.=20 I=E2=80=99m still on the fence as to installing the 20B I purchased a few w= eeks back. If=20 I do make the swap I=E2=80=99m considering plugs up as an option.

= =C2=A0

Bobby

= =C2=A0

From: Rotary motor= s in=20 aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 12,= =20 2015 4:50 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of=20 bottom

=C2=A0

Hi=20 Bobby,

=C2=A0

=

Found=20 this old photo of the bottom of the oil pan which may help.=C2=A0 The blue= =20 fitting is naturally the drain hole at the lowest part of the=20 sump.

=C2=A0

=

Ed

=C2=A0

Sent:=20 Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:39 PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil=20 System

=C2=A0=

Thanks Ed. The standof= f is not=20 visible in the picture but I had guessed=C2=A0 you did something similar. A= ny=20 issues with sealing the oil pickup tube to the block off plate and front=20 iron?

=C2=A0

Bobby

=C2=A0

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:23 PM
To: Rotary motors = in=20 aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plug= s UP=20 Oil System

=C2=A0

Hi=20 Bobby,

=C2=A0

=

I=20 believe the things you have the arrows pointing to are triangular shaped br= aces=20 that support the oil sump to the oil pan.=C2=A0 The are welded to top of su= mp=20 and plate.

=C2=A0

=

To=20 access the bolts in the area of the sump, I stood the 4=E2=80=9Dx 4=E2=80= =9D tubing I used for=20 the sump off from the pan about 1 =E2=80=93 1 1/2=E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I did thi= s by using a 1=E2=80=9D x 1=20 1/2=E2=80=9D rectangular tube (its end=E2=80=99s plugged) welded to both th= e plate and the=20 sump.=C2=A0 Then 3/4=E2=80=9D dia=C2=A0 (I think around 6 holes) holes were= drilled=20 through plate, standoff and sump for the oil to return to the sump =E2=80= =93 probably=20 best to drill holes before welding components together, but they can be dri= lled=20 from the inside plate side =E2=80=93 just make sure you get all shavings ou= t.=C2=A0 This=20 stand-off also gave you access to around 3-4 pan bolts.=C2=A0 Depending on = your=20 set up these may or may not be a pain=C2=A0 to unscrew, but it can be=20 done.

=C2=A0

=

The=20 round tall blue tube served as oil fill tube and dip stick tube. It was thr= eaded=20 internally at the top and a threaded plug with a hole drilled in it for the= dip=20 stick was used.

=C2=A0

=

The=20 aluminum tubes were coolant (front) and air/oil separator (which I took off= =20 after two years of flying with it and it collecting no oil, because the rot= ary=20 simply was not spitting any out.

=C2=A0

=

Ed

=C2=A0

Sent:=20 Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:57 PM

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil=20 System

=C2=A0=

Ed,=

I have a couple of quest= ion about=20 your plug up installation. How do you access the oil pan bolts located behi= nd=20 the oil reservoir and allow for oil drain back? Also I see what looks like = an=20 additional tube (black arrow) in the attached photo. Can=E2=80=99t figure o= ut what it=E2=80=99s=20 for. Is it a=C2=A0 support bracket?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

=C2=A0

Bobby Hughes

=C2=A0

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