X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Charlie England" Received: from mail-ob0-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1c2) with ESMTPS id 7409734 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:13:07 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.173; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id uy5so19369152obc.4 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 08:12:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vJFzh0aVWeBq4mP2njSUselPVseq9x4I+Dg1v9TeOHA=; b=lSJCz3izwvTrFoEzMnq39amehKp5VIGRPNc1Bgak14Ek/JBk2JgX0fj765pQ2nYrEJ aLmUtyrq2k8fAbBQ1jLonCWdTmqGWEER60nEqh8E25oyHyv87mDXIR3Ix9sQWcEtJbJ+ Qy24zZyJzP/JEBg1l0Q3T6kGz9rOha241mhS1xuBlBbjIputx+Wigxx7mOU2+Wc9aXvX tgpHoxO5m0M+kiXhLrtRjPRz03kTtuSGVkTlhmAj8c5eZtDcXoNI9rlo8OEpg4ucJigb gyH8WMbblOAAmEQalOkpdfs+zrIrpG7FfZHD12AZb6lKlo9fs5k9+MBof9DGrT4l5ypt DipQ== X-Received: by 10.202.218.138 with SMTP id r132mr14093733oig.107.1420992751935; Sun, 11 Jan 2015 08:12:31 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:25fa:a369:4963:d677:a898:f786? ([2602:306:25fa:a369:4963:d677:a898:f786]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w81sm7705106oiw.10.2015.01.11.08.12.30 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 11 Jan 2015 08:12:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54B2A1A0.1000505@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 10:15:28 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] cowl temps References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 1/11/2015 7:24 AM, steve Izett wrote: > Hi Guys > > Ive finally got the engine (Renesis) and cowl complete on the Glasair. > Now without a prop I can run her (1500rpm, 90 deg F ambient) for about 10 mins before water temps teach 200 deg F. > Hoping that with the prop she will keep her cool. > > We have sought to protect the inner cowl surfaces from exhaust radiant heat and this appears to be functioning > however I’m surprised at the upper cowl external surface temps after shut down getting to hot to touch. > What are your experiences of cowl temps after shutdown? > If air-cooled engines run up to 400 deg F CHT’s how do they go? > I take it we all have glass cowls! > > Steve Izett > The only place an air cooled engine is that hot is the head metal adjacent to the combustion chamber. If you could measure a water cooled engine's head temp between the combustion chamber and water jacket, it would probably be pretty high, too (the fire in the combustion chamber is the same temp in both, right?). I've never measured the temp, but my Lyc powered RV-4 cowl gets too hot to touch after shutdown. Googling for human pain threshold temps returns answers from 43-54 degrees C; much lower than the 200 degree engine temp, and much cooler than the threshold for fiberglass damage. Radiant heat from the exhaust will obviously be much higher, and can easily melt (or burn) fiberglass if it isn't protected by a radiant barrier and/or supplied with adequate cooling air flow. Don't know if that helps, but there you go.... Charlie