X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Richard Sohn" Received: from smtp674.redcondor.net ([208.80.206.74] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.10) with ESMTPS id 7228729 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:44:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=208.80.206.74; envelope-from=res12@fairpoint.net Received: from smtp0v2.neonova.net ([137.118.16.31]) by smtp674.redcondor.net ({a08e97cc-7755-4613-8c0d-2c401d92a69d}) via TCP (outbound) with ESMTP id 20141021194337764 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 19:43:37 +0000 X-RC-FROM: X-RC-RCPT: Received: from MAIN (dflo-66-243-230-148.gtcom.net [66.243.230.148]) (Authenticated sender: res12@fairpoint.net) by smtp0v2.neonova.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DD0405A6135 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2014 15:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <2D26086A6E4E4A52898B580B607853BC@MAIN> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Getting There, New Exhaust and Radiator Setup Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:39:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D7_01CFED3C.C5D70EE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3522.110 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3522.110 X-MAG-OUTBOUND: greymail.redcondor.net@137.118.16/24 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01CFED3C.C5D70EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I did attend the EAA TIG Welding Shop in Griffin GA. That made the whole = difference. Richard Sohn N2071U http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html From: Charlie England=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 1:38 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Getting There, New Exhaust and Radiator Setup But Richard, that implies a detour from building to actually learning to = use that high-dollar TIG machine that's hiding under a tarp in the = hangar.... On 10/21/2014 1:23 PM, Richard Sohn wrote: I did all my odd-angle bends with cut and weld using mandrel bent 90 = and 180 degrees. Richard Sohn N2071U http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html From: Charlie England=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:12 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Getting There, New Exhaust and Radiator Setup This one shows the rad returning to the engine. There's a 1 1/4" to 1" = silicone transition on the block (same as output on top), a 180 degree = mandrel bend (that I stretched out to ~135 degrees), and that connects = to the hose coming from the rad bottom fitting (previous pic). I'm not = happy with the stretched 180; it didn't stay round when I stretched it. = Unfortunately, it's hard to find 135 degree mandrel bends in 1" = diameter. There are a couple of ebay vendors, but they're in the UK & no = longer ship to the USA (I guess we are the new 3rd world). On 10/21/2014 10:05 AM, Charlie England wrote: This shows 1" ID hose waiting to be hooked up to the 1 1/8" rad = bottom fitting. On 10/21/2014 10:03 AM, Charlie England wrote: Forgot to mention: in previous pic, the rad top fitting is 1 1/8"; = tube is ~1" OD. The silicone coupler is just a piece of 1" silicone = hose. It will stretch quite a bit.=20 This shows a transition fitting from the pump outlet 1 1/4" to 1". On 10/21/2014 9:56 AM, Charlie England wrote: Pics to follow in multiple emails, due to list size limits. I bought most of my stuff from=20 http://www.siliconeintakes.com/ and http://www.verociousmotorsports.com/ Also, check ebay for both mandrel bends and silicone bends. = There are several sites with pretty good prices. Silicone Intakes' mandrel bends are much cheaper than their = silicone bends. For same-size couplers, you can just buy a length of = hose & cut it into couplers (see radiator input pic). I had no luck bending thinwall AL tubing myself, even if I = packed the tubing with sand prior to bending & used a Harbor Freight = hydraulic pipe bender. However, if you can stand the loss of flow area, = AL electrical conduit is relatively easy to bend without collapsing it = (thicker walls). Silicone hose seems to cost anywhere from $5 (1") to $20 per = foot. Tubing looks prettier, but a continuous run of silicone hose = isn't that much more expensive and it can get done in minutes instead of = weeks. Ask me how I know.... Charlie On 10/21/2014 7:28 AM, Jeff Whaley wrote: Hello Doug: The radiator is 100% stock; I did not weld any fittings onto = it. My method may not save you any money though, as I bought expensive = $30 blue silicone hose (HPS) couplers to mate with the stock 1.5 inch = water pump inlet/outlet connectors on my engine. One elbow is = 1.5=E2=80=9D to 1.5=E2=80=9D, 90 degree and the other is 1.75=E2=80=9D = to 1.5=E2=80=9D, 45 degree to match the radiator. In between is = 1.5=E2=80=9D aluminum straight or elbow tubing. Jeff =20 From: mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net =20 Subject: FW: Getting There, New Exhaust and Radiator = Setup =20 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:07:28 -0400 =20 To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net =20 =20 =20 =20 Jeff: Do you have any shots of the fittings you had welded = onto your Griffin radiator, etc. I am thinking of doing something = similar for my 9A w/13B since I really don't want to spend $1K on a = bunch of $35-40 a piece AN fittings, hose, etc.=20 Thanks. Doug Lomheim RV-9A 13B FWF=20 =20 =20 This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended = only for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential = information. Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you = have received this message in error, please notify us immediately so = that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the = original message. 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I did attend the EAA TIG Welding Shop in Griffin GA. That made the = whole=20 difference.
 
Richard=20 Sohn
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Getting There, New Exhaust and = Radiator=20 Setup
 
But Richard, that implies a detour from = building to=20 actually learning to use that high-dollar  TIG machine that's = hiding under=20 a tarp in the hangar....



On 10/21/2014 1:23 PM, Richard = Sohn=20 wrote:
I did all my odd-angle bends with cut and weld using mandrel bent = 90 and=20 180 degrees.
 
 
From: Charlie England
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 10:12 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Getting There, New Exhaust and = Radiator=20 Setup
 
This one shows the rad returning to the = engine.=20 There's a 1 1/4" to 1" silicone transition on the block (same as = output on=20 top), a 180 degree mandrel bend (that I stretched out to ~135 = degrees), and=20 that connects to the hose coming from the rad bottom fitting (previous = pic).=20 I'm not happy with the stretched 180; it didn't stay round when I = stretched=20 it. Unfortunately, it's hard to find 135 degree mandrel bends in 1" = diameter.=20 There are a couple of ebay vendors, but they're in the UK & no = longer ship=20 to the USA (I guess we are the new 3rd world).

On 10/21/2014 = 10:05 AM,=20 Charlie England wrote:
This shows 1" ID hose waiting to be = hooked up to=20 the 1 1/8" rad bottom fitting.

On 10/21/2014 10:03 AM, = Charlie=20 England wrote:
Forgot to mention: in previous pic, = the rad top=20 fitting is 1 1/8"; tube is ~1" OD. The silicone coupler is just a = piece of=20 1" silicone hose. It will stretch quite a bit.

This shows = a=20 transition fitting from the pump outlet 1 1/4" to 1".

On = 10/21/2014=20 9:56 AM, Charlie England wrote:
Pics to follow in multiple emails, = due to=20 list size limits.

I bought most of my stuff from
http://www.siliconeintakes.com/
and
http://www.verociousmotorsports.com/

= Also,=20 check ebay for both mandrel bends and silicone bends. There are = several=20 sites with pretty good prices.

Silicone Intakes' mandrel = bends=20 are much cheaper than their silicone bends. For same-size = couplers, you=20 can just buy a length of hose & cut it into couplers (see = radiator=20 input pic).

I had no luck bending thinwall AL tubing = myself, even=20 if I packed the tubing with sand prior to bending & used a = Harbor=20 Freight hydraulic pipe bender. However, if you can stand the = loss of=20 flow area, AL electrical conduit is relatively easy to bend = without=20 collapsing it (thicker walls).

Silicone hose seems to = cost=20 anywhere from $5 (1") to $20 per foot.  Tubing looks = prettier, but=20 a continuous run of silicone hose isn't that much more expensive = and it=20 can get done in minutes instead of weeks. Ask me how I=20 know....

Charlie

On 10/21/2014 7:28 AM, Jeff = Whaley=20 wrote:

Hello Doug:

The radiator is 100% stock; I did not = weld any=20 fittings onto it.  My method may not save you any money = though,=20 as I bought expensive $30 blue silicone hose (HPS) couplers to = mate=20 with the stock 1.5 inch water pump inlet/outlet connectors on = my=20 engine.  One elbow is 1.5=E2=80=9D to 1.5=E2=80=9D, 90 = degree and the other is=20 1.75=E2=80=9D to 1.5=E2=80=9D, 45 degree to match the = radiator.  In between is=20 1.5=E2=80=9D aluminum straight or elbow tubing.  =20 Jeff

 

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Subject:

FW:=20 Getting There, New Exhaust and Radiator=20 Setup

Date:

Mon,=20 20 Oct 2014 13:07:28=20 -0400

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flyrotary@lancaironline.net



Jeff:

Do=20 you have any shots of the fittings you had welded onto = your=20 Griffin radiator, etc.  I am thinking of doing = something=20 similar for my 9A w/13B since I really don't want to = spend $1K=20 on a bunch of $35-40 a piece AN fittings, hose, etc.=20

Thanks.

Doug Lomheim
RV-9A 13B FWF=20

 

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