X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Bill Bradburry" Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.23] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.10) with ESMTP id 7210389 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:27:12 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.23; envelope-from=bbradburry@verizon.net Received: from Desktop ([unknown] [173.57.170.65]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0NDC00HVR2O657N0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 12 Oct 2014 08:26:32 -0500 (CDT) To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-reply-to: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to Montana Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 08:26:36 -0500 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01CFE5F6.3D8BEE90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ac/mGyLW+stuAMfxRLiUFW7+uxJlNAABA84Q X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CFE5F6.3D8BEE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After I sent the msg I realized that I had mixed up 32S with S64 at Stanford. Someone on the list, Steve I think, had already talked about buying gas there because you have to taxi off the airport and down the street to a gas station to buy the Mogas. :>) If the pure-gas link is accurate, there should be three stations in Stevensville that sell 91 Mogas. The altitude out there might make you consider a turbo. Bill _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 7:49 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to Montana No, Stevensville (32S) doesn't have unleaded Mogas, however I can get 91 octane unleaded at several stations near-by. From: Bill Bradburry Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:00 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to Montana Bill, Looks like you are based at the only airport in Montana that has Mogas! These are a couple of resources that I use to try and find Mogas. They are not always updated and not always accurate but they are better than nothing. http://flyunleaded.com/airports.php http://www.pure-gas.org/index.jsp Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 7:05 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to Montana We did not even try to find Mogas for this trip. In general, over Illinois, missouri, Kansas and Nebraska, we tended to fly at 6500 msl when we could. From Pierre on we were at 8500, climbing to 9500 over the Montana passes. From: Bill Bradburry Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:50 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to Montana Bill, Thanks for an excellent report. I guess you had some periods of excitement when the weather started to close in on you. Were you able to find Mogas at any of the airports or did you have to use 100LL for the trip? I found a couple of the segments on FlightAware but there was little info except the line of flight, no altitude and no ground speeds. Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 8:02 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] More narrative on trip to Montana Trip to Montana October 1-3, 2014 Bill Schertz and Dave Spano As many of you know, I moved to Lolo, Montana in July. I had not moved my plane N343BS to the new location, being too busy packing, shipping household goods, and moving the Motor Home. In late September, I finally felt that it was time to go get the plane. Since I had not flown a lot during the packing and moving time, and since it was a long cross country, arranged with Dave Spano to come with me. This was a good decision, as it provided extra eyes, and a lot of help getting frequencies and communicating with centers and flight following. The original plan was to leave Tuesday, September 30th, on a route of Aurora to Fairmont, MN (KFRM) to Pierre, SD (KPIR), to Billings, MT (KBIL) to Stevensville, MT (32S). As in combat, all plans change once you are engaged. Woke up Tuesday morning with low overcast, and a long line of thunderstorms and nasty weather to the west. IFR all over the place in the direction that we would be going, so the plan was delayed until the next day. Wednesday still had the long line of weather to the west, and no way to go around it to the North, so we altered the flight plan to go South on our first leg. Planned to go to Columbia, Missouri (KCOU) to skirt the bottom of the weather system. Launched and proceeded on our way. As we went south, the weather started getting closer, so we had to deviate East for a few miles, and replan to go to Rolla, Missouri (KVIH). We landed and refueled, and started moving Northwest. Our plan was to overfly Lawrence, Kansas (KLWC), and then proceed to Grand Isle, Nebraska (KGRI) for refueling. We did accomplish this, with a deviation south of the direct line to KLWC due to several thunderstorms. Landed and refueled at KGRI, and launched for Pierre, SD. Flight was smooth and uneventful, except for picking up a load of bugs. This was the only leg where bugs were pre-eminent. Spent the night at Pierre. Basically burning ~10 gal/hr at 150ktas. The next morning, the plane had heavy dew, which made removing the bugs very easy, they were soft and wiped off quickly. We left Pierre for Billings, MT as our next fuel stop. Weather was clear, good visibility, but a strong headwind. About 60nm from Billings, we decided that we needed to divert to Sheridan, Wyoming (KSHR) to get fuel. We were burning at a higher rate, ~11 gal/hr trying to fight the head wind. Nice thing was, when we turned South towards Sheridan, the tailwind component really helped us scoot along on Ground Speed. Refueled at Sheridan, and took off for Billings. About 20nm north of Sheridan, a weather system started moving in and lowering the ceiling. Still VFR and adequate ceiling, but it became clear that we were going to have to overnight at Billings. Terrain under our route was very rugged, and with the wind, we had a somewhat bumpy ride getting to Billings. At Billings, we were cleared to runway 28R, (long runway) with a pretty stiff wind out of the North. Strongest crosswind landing that I have ever made. Weather became increasingly poor, raining and snow showers, low ceiling. Met a fellow who was ferrying a Tri-pacer from Brownsville, TX to Spokane. He was stranded at Billings also. Got a room for the night. Next morning dawned bright, clear, and cold. We should have had the FBO put the plane in a hanger overnight. It was covered in frost, plus numerous lumps of ice where the water from the rain had frozen solid. We had to put it in a hanger to melt off the ice. It was below freezing when we left Billings, but was warming up. From Billings, we basically followed I-90 to avoid flying over the higher granite formations. Set an altitude of 8500 ft, then went on up to 9500 as the terrain rose. This gave us 4-5000 clearance over the ground. Crossed over into the Bitterroot valley at Missoula, then turned South to Stevensville (32S). Overall, we covered 1509 nautical miles due to the weather and fueling diversions. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01CFE5F6.3D8BEE90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

After I sent the msg I realized = that I had mixed up 32S with S64 at Stanford.  Someone on the list, Steve I = think, had already talked about buying gas there because you have to taxi off = the airport and down the street to a gas station to buy the Mogas.  = :>)

 

If the pure-gas link is accurate, = there should be three stations in Stevensville that sell 91 Mogas.  The = altitude out there might make you consider a turbo.

 

Bill

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, October 12, = 2014 7:49 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = More narrative on trip to Montana

 

No, = Stevensville (32S) doesn’t have unleaded Mogas, however I can get 91 octane unleaded = at several stations near-by.

 

 

Sent: Saturday, = October 11, 2014 10:00 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to Montana

 

Bill,

Looks like you are based at the = only airport in Montana that has Mogas!

These are a couple of resources = that I use to try and find Mogas.  They are not always updated and not always accurate but they are better than nothing.

 

http://flyunleaded.com/airpo= rts.php

 

http://www.pure-gas.org/index.= jsp

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Saturday, October = 11, 2014 7:05 AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = More narrative on trip to Montana

 

We did not = even try to find Mogas for this trip. In general, over Illinois, missouri, Kansas and Nebraska, we tended to fly at 6500 msl when we could. From Pierre on we were at 8500, climbing to = 9500 over the Montana passes.

 

Sent: Friday, = October 10, 2014 9:50 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to Montana=

 

Bill,

 

Thanks for an excellent = report.  I guess you had some periods of excitement when the weather started to = close in on you.  Were you able to find Mogas at any of the airports or did = you have to use 100LL for the trip?

I found a couple of the segments on FlightAware but there was little info except the line of flight, no = altitude and no ground speeds.

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Friday, October 10, = 2014 8:02 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] More narrative on trip to Montana

 

Trip to Montana

October 1-3, 2014

Bill = Schertz<= font size=3D4 color=3Dblack> and = Dave Spano

As = many of you know, I moved to Lolo, = Montana in = July. I had not moved my plane N343BS to the new location, being too busy = packing, shipping household goods, and moving the Motor Home. In late September, = I finally felt that it was time to go get the plane.

Since I had not flown a lot during the packing and moving time, and since it was a = long cross country, arranged with = Dave Spano to come with me. This was a good decision, as it provided extra = eyes, and a lot of help getting frequencies and communicating with centers and = flight following.

The original plan was to leave Tuesday, September 30th, on a route of = Aurora to Fairmont, MN (KFRM) to Pierre, SD (KPIR), to Billings, MT (KBIL) to Stevensville, MT (32S). As in combat, all plans change once you are = engaged.

Woke up Tuesday morning with low overcast, and a long line of thunderstorms and = nasty weather to the west. IFR all over the place in the direction that we = would be going, so the plan was delayed until the next day.

Wednesday still had the long line of weather to the west, and no way to go around = it to the North, so we altered the flight plan to go South on our first leg. = Planned to go to Columbia, = Missouri = (KCOU) to skirt the bottom of the weather system. Launched and proceeded on our = way. As we went south, the weather started getting closer, so we had to deviate = East for a few miles, and replan to go to Rolla, Missouri (KVIH).  We landed and refueled, and started moving = Northwest.

Our plan was to overfly Lawrence, = Kansas = (KLWC), and then proceed to Grand Isle, Nebraska (KGRI) for refueling. We did = accomplish this, with a deviation south of the direct line to KLWC due to several thunderstorms. Landed and refueled at KGRI, and launched for Pierre, SD.  Flight was smooth and uneventful, except for picking up a load of bugs. = This was the only leg where bugs were pre-eminent. Spent the night at = Pierre. Basically burning ~10 gal/hr at 150ktas.

The next morning, the plane had heavy dew, which made removing the bugs very = easy, they were soft and wiped off quickly. We left Pierre for Billings, MT as our next fuel stop. Weather was clear, good visibility, but a strong headwind. About 60nm from Billings, we decided that = we needed to divert to Sheridan, = Wyoming = (KSHR) to get fuel. We were burning at a higher rate, ~11 gal/hr trying to fight = the head wind. Nice thing was, when we turned South towards Sheridan, the tailwind component really helped us scoot along on Ground = Speed.

 

Refueled at Sheridan, and took off for = Billings. About 20nm north of Sheridan, a = weather system started moving in and lowering the ceiling. Still VFR and = adequate ceiling, but it became clear that we were going to have to overnight at = Billings. Terrain under our route was very rugged, and with the wind, we had a = somewhat bumpy ride getting to Billings.  = At Billings, we were cleared to runway 28R, (long runway) with a pretty stiff wind = out of the North. Strongest crosswind landing that I have ever made. Weather = became increasingly poor, raining and snow showers, low ceiling. Met a fellow = who was ferrying a Tri-pacer from Brownsville, TX to Spokane. He was stranded at Billings = also.  Got a room for the night.

Next morning dawned bright, clear, and cold. We should have had the FBO put the plane = in a hanger overnight. It was covered in frost, plus numerous lumps of ice = where the water from the rain had frozen solid.  We had to put it in a hanger = to melt off the ice. It was below freezing when we left Billings, but was warming up.

From Billings, we basically followed I-90 to avoid flying over the higher granite = formations. Set an altitude of 8500 ft, then went on up to 9500 as the terrain rose. = This gave us 4-5000 clearance over the ground. Crossed over into the = Bitterroot valley at Missoula, then = turned South to Stevensville (32S). Overall, we covered 1509 nautical miles due = to the weather and fueling diversions.

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