X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "William Schertz" Received: from mail-ig0-f173.google.com ([209.85.213.173] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.9e) with ESMTPS id 7204180 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:06:04 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.173; envelope-from=wschertz343@gmail.com Received: by mail-ig0-f173.google.com with SMTP id h18so5698297igc.12 for ; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 05:05:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:mime-version :content-type:importance; bh=1xIRvtUuzdIBTXygUPdXpxT7a/iQ4MnUVwVuP3zL6Jk=; b=L81PpI9IK8wlrKfXDwk7jbbuBc7dGnGyex7Cp2Wrrtu0OW03PKawnutaEDc7y/+X9+ 78pDkpI86dtd9ZBmABL1J2RVCglBh0TQbkw5CoQgJiu/26JcWKV78fIOZxevX3DmpxRo e5jF+ambb+8h9WWEXZwELvKYPOZbQCYCtPnCPTm8XFivKC50xdLuiHYGEdziICuY+OhS 0OPmimuUiUMVs92T2wEsvmXTISFFqNRhmqB7sNwzG8TubmSAk4XROIo+Xt38SL5xpXfP 5wDU60X+6dI0JUoKfSbXc3QFXjm8EFXNLbtyXEa96nnzxhp38nzLuNGIm0kISKn5u3j8 0pzw== X-Received: by 10.50.73.200 with SMTP id n8mr15128596igv.16.1413029128797; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 05:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from OwnerPC (host-184-166-77-245.msl-mt.client.bresnan.net. [184.166.77.245]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id p10sm4013094igx.2.2014.10.11.05.05.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Oct 2014 05:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to Montana Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 06:05:03 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01CFE519.4CBC36A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CFE519.4CBC36A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We did not even try to find Mogas for this trip. In general, over = Illinois, missouri, Kansas and Nebraska, we tended to fly at 6500 msl = when we could. From Pierre on we were at 8500, climbing to 9500 over the = Montana passes.=20 From: Bill Bradburry=20 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:50 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to Montana Bill, =20 Thanks for an excellent report. I guess you had some periods of = excitement when the weather started to close in on you. Were you able = to find Mogas at any of the airports or did you have to use 100LL for = the trip? I found a couple of the segments on FlightAware but there was little = info except the line of flight, no altitude and no ground speeds. =20 Bill B =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 8:02 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] More narrative on trip to Montana =20 Trip to Montana October 1-3, 2014 Bill Schertz and Dave Spano As many of you know, I moved to Lolo, Montana in July. I had not moved = my plane N343BS to the new location, being too busy packing, shipping = household goods, and moving the Motor Home. In late September, I finally = felt that it was time to go get the plane. Since I had not flown a lot during the packing and moving time, and = since it was a long cross country, arranged with Dave Spano to come with = me. This was a good decision, as it provided extra eyes, and a lot of = help getting frequencies and communicating with centers and flight = following. The original plan was to leave Tuesday, September 30th, on a route of = Aurora to Fairmont, MN (KFRM) to Pierre, SD (KPIR), to Billings, MT = (KBIL) to Stevensville, MT (32S). As in combat, all plans change once = you are engaged. Woke up Tuesday morning with low overcast, and a long line of = thunderstorms and nasty weather to the west. IFR all over the place in = the direction that we would be going, so the plan was delayed until the = next day. Wednesday still had the long line of weather to the west, and no way to = go around it to the North, so we altered the flight plan to go South on = our first leg. Planned to go to Columbia, Missouri (KCOU) to skirt the = bottom of the weather system. Launched and proceeded on our way. As we = went south, the weather started getting closer, so we had to deviate = East for a few miles, and replan to go to Rolla, Missouri (KVIH). We = landed and refueled, and started moving Northwest. Our plan was to overfly Lawrence, Kansas (KLWC), and then proceed to = Grand Isle, Nebraska (KGRI) for refueling. We did accomplish this, with = a deviation south of the direct line to KLWC due to several = thunderstorms. Landed and refueled at KGRI, and launched for Pierre, SD. = Flight was smooth and uneventful, except for picking up a load of bugs. = This was the only leg where bugs were pre-eminent. Spent the night at = Pierre. Basically burning ~10 gal/hr at 150ktas. The next morning, the plane had heavy dew, which made removing the bugs = very easy, they were soft and wiped off quickly. We left Pierre for = Billings, MT as our next fuel stop. Weather was clear, good visibility, = but a strong headwind. About 60nm from Billings, we decided that we = needed to divert to Sheridan, Wyoming (KSHR) to get fuel. We were = burning at a higher rate, ~11 gal/hr trying to fight the head wind. Nice = thing was, when we turned South towards Sheridan, the tailwind component = really helped us scoot along on Ground Speed. =20 Refueled at Sheridan, and took off for Billings. About 20nm north of = Sheridan, a weather system started moving in and lowering the ceiling. = Still VFR and adequate ceiling, but it became clear that we were going = to have to overnight at Billings. Terrain under our route was very = rugged, and with the wind, we had a somewhat bumpy ride getting to = Billings. At Billings, we were cleared to runway 28R, (long runway) = with a pretty stiff wind out of the North. Strongest crosswind landing = that I have ever made. Weather became increasingly poor, raining and = snow showers, low ceiling. Met a fellow who was ferrying a Tri-pacer = from Brownsville, TX to Spokane. He was stranded at Billings also. Got = a room for the night. Next morning dawned bright, clear, and cold. We should have had the FBO = put the plane in a hanger overnight. It was covered in frost, plus = numerous lumps of ice where the water from the rain had frozen solid. = We had to put it in a hanger to melt off the ice. It was below freezing = when we left Billings, but was warming up. From Billings, we basically followed I-90 to avoid flying over the = higher granite formations. Set an altitude of 8500 ft, then went on up = to 9500 as the terrain rose. This gave us 4-5000 clearance over the = ground. Crossed over into the Bitterroot valley at Missoula, then turned = South to Stevensville (32S). Overall, we covered 1509 nautical miles due = to the weather and fueling diversions. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01CFE519.4CBC36A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We did not even try to find Mogas for this trip. In general, over = Illinois,=20 missouri, Kansas and Nebraska, we tended to fly at 6500 msl when we = could. From=20 Pierre on we were at 8500, climbing to 9500 over the Montana passes. =
 
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:50 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: More narrative on trip to=20 Montana
 

Bill,

 

Thanks for an = excellent=20 report.  I guess you had some periods of excitement when the = weather=20 started to close in on you.  Were you able to find Mogas at any of = the=20 airports or did you have to use 100LL for the = trip?

I found a = couple of the=20 segments on FlightAware but there was little info except the line of = flight, no=20 altitude and no ground speeds.

 

Bill=20 B

 

From:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 = 8:02=20 PM
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] More = narrative on trip=20 to Montana

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Trip to Montana

October 1-3, = 2014

Bill=20 Schertz and Dave = Spano

As many of=20 you know, I moved to Lolo,=20 Montana in July. I had = not moved my=20 plane N343BS to the new location, being too busy packing, shipping = household=20 goods, and moving the Motor Home. In late September, I finally felt that = it was=20 time to go get the plane.

Since I had=20 not flown a lot during the packing and moving time, and since it was a = long cross country, arranged = with Dave=20 Spano to come with me. This was a good decision, as it provided extra = eyes, and=20 a lot of help getting frequencies and communicating with centers and = flight=20 following.

The original=20 plan was to leave Tuesday, September 30th, on a route of = Aurora to Fairmont,=20 MN (KFRM) to Pierre, SD = (KPIR), to=20 Billings, MT=20 (KBIL) to Stevensville,=20 MT (32S). As in combat, = all plans=20 change once you are engaged.

Woke up=20 Tuesday morning with low overcast, and a long line of thunderstorms and = nasty=20 weather to the west. IFR all over the place in the direction that we = would be=20 going, so the plan was delayed until the next day.

Wednesday=20 still had the long line of weather to the west, and no way to go around = it to=20 the North, so we altered the flight plan to go South on our first leg. = Planned=20 to go to Columbia,=20 Missouri (KCOU) to skirt = the bottom=20 of the weather system. Launched and proceeded on our way. As we went = south, the=20 weather started getting closer, so we had to deviate East for a few = miles, and=20 replan to go to Rolla,=20 Missouri (KVIH).  We = landed=20 and refueled, and started moving Northwest.

Our plan was=20 to overfly Lawrence,=20 Kansas (KLWC), and then = proceed to=20 Grand Isle, Nebraska (KGRI) for refueling. We did accomplish this, with = a=20 deviation south of the direct line to KLWC due to several thunderstorms. = Landed=20 and refueled at KGRI, and launched for Pierre, SD.  Flight was smooth and = uneventful,=20 except for picking up a load of bugs. This was the only leg where bugs = were=20 pre-eminent. Spent the night at Pierre. Basically burning ~10 gal/hr = at=20 150ktas.

The next=20 morning, the plane had heavy dew, which made removing the bugs very = easy, they=20 were soft and wiped off quickly. We left Pierre=20 for Billings, = MT as our next fuel stop. Weather = was clear,=20 good visibility, but a strong headwind. About 60nm from Billings, we decided that we needed to divert to = Sheridan, Wyoming (KSHR) to get fuel. We were = burning at=20 a higher rate, ~11 gal/hr trying to fight the head wind. Nice thing was, = when we=20 turned South towards Sheridan, the tailwind component = really helped=20 us scoot along on Ground Speed.

 

Refueled at=20 Sheridan, and took off for Billings. = About 20nm north=20 of Sheridan, a=20 weather system started moving in and lowering the ceiling. Still VFR and = adequate ceiling, but it became clear that we were going to have to = overnight at=20 Billings.=20 Terrain under our route was very rugged, and with the wind, we had a = somewhat=20 bumpy ride getting to Billings.  At Billings, we = were cleared=20 to runway 28R, (long runway) with a pretty stiff wind out of the North.=20 Strongest crosswind landing that I have ever made. Weather became = increasingly=20 poor, raining and snow showers, low ceiling. Met a fellow who was = ferrying a=20 Tri-pacer from Brownsville, TX to Spokane. He was stranded at Billings = also.  Got a=20 room for the night.

Next morning=20 dawned bright, clear, and cold. We should have had the FBO put the plane = in a=20 hanger overnight. It was covered in frost, plus numerous lumps of ice = where the=20 water from the rain had frozen solid.  We had to put it in a hanger = to melt=20 off the ice. It was below freezing when we left Billings, but was warming=20 up.

From=20 Billings, we=20 basically followed I-90 to avoid flying over the higher granite = formations. Set=20 an altitude of 8500 ft, then went on up to 9500 as the terrain rose. = This gave=20 us 4-5000 clearance over the ground. Crossed over into the Bitterroot = valley at=20 Missoula, then=20 turned South to Stevensville (32S). Overall, we covered 1509 nautical = miles due=20 to the weather and fueling diversions.

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