From: "Luciano, Luis I CIV PEOSUB, PMS404P" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: In a pickle
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Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 12:43:24 +0000
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Awesome advice!  Thanks Charlie!!

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 5:46 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: In a pickle

I've got a drive that's at least 10 years old & has never flown. It's pristine inside, but spent most of its shelf life in relatively dry Arkansas (compared to MS, anyway...). Do you have any way to pump fresh oil through the bearings to get the used motor oil out? Might not be critical since there probably aren't a lot of hours on it (sorry, Chris...), but that's the most likely source of corrosion if you can keep it dry inside the case.

Certified a/c engine guys are paranoid about corrosion (a/c engines corrode readily, and repair costs are heart stopping). An engine that will be stored for a long time (more than a few weeks, in some cases) gets 'desiccant' spark plugs, bags of desiccant stuffed into every orifice, and then everything sealed up. SOP is to check the desiccant plugs every few weeks, if possible, to see if they've changed color, indicating that they've absorbed moisture. If found, they are baked to drive off the moisture and re-installed.

If you're not familiar with 'desiccant', it's the bags of particles  you find in boxes containing pricey products that spent weeks in salt air making their way to store shelves.

Should work for both the engine and the drive. The drive could be cleaned, re-lubed with fresh oil, and put in a big seal-able container (like Tupperware) with desiccant bags. (Dollar store storage bins won't do it.) Harder to box the engine like that, but a big heavy duty trash bag might help keep out most of the moisture, if you can seal the opening with good tape. Or roll it in multiple layers of shrink wrap.... :-)

Charlie 


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Luciano, Luis I CIV PEOSUB, PMS404P <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:


	What is recommended for long term storage of Tracy's PSRU?  I was fortunate enough to have bought Chris' but It'll be a while before I get an engine.
	
	Luis
	

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	Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:13 AM
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	Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: In a pickle
	
	Chris,
	   Have heard of injecting auto transmission oil into a plug hole and rotating for each lobe of the rotors..........Do not use too much........You do not want a hydralic lock..........
	
	Kelly Troyer
	
	
	On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:14 PM, Chris Barber <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
	
	
	        I removed my second gen 13b from my plane. What is recommended by y'all to long term pickle of the engine (unless one of you fine fellows or gals would like to make me an offer. IVO prop and RD-B are already gone). It's just sitting around and I would like to preserve it.
	
	        Thanks.
	
	        Chris Barber
	
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