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You are either over propped or something is wrong with the engine or tuning.=
   At 37" mp you should be in the 5500-6000  rpm range.   You didn't give th=
e rpm at 16" mp and 11 deg BTDC so I can't tell if timing is in the ballpark=
 or not.  Is that the same rpm as your hat blew off (3000)?  If so, you may b=
e too retarded.

And of course we need your prop numbers to make a guess about anything.  Pro=
p chord at 70% on blade is good to know too.  Do you have one of those wide c=
hord airboat type props?

Tracy

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On Sep 9, 2013, at 0:47, shipchief@aol.com wrote:

> I've been slowly building my RV-8 with 13BT engine for about 14 years...!
> On June 13th 2013 it received the coveted Airworthiness Certificate. That s=
ame day I detonated my engine due to the trailing spark plug holes being mac=
hined oversize in an attempt to improve the single spark plug power, should t=
he leading plug ignition fail. This, and possibly advanced ignition, and pos=
sibly over-boost detonated my engine on it's first high power taxi test. Tha=
t took about 2.5 seconds.
> Now I've rebuilt the engine with new unmodified rotor housings, and it run=
s better than ever. I've re-marked the timing marks on the pulley, and reset=
 the timing, though not to 4000 RPM yet. today I checked it. At 3000 RPM my h=
at and hearing protection blew off. 11 degrees BTDC, and 16" manifold pressu=
re.
> I've been taxiing around at modest RPM, it's great. I've consistently been=
 idling at about 1600 RPM, (730 prop RPM) and sometimes as low as 1490, (680=
 Prop RPM) smoothly. That is slow enough to keep the brakes from getting too=
 hot.
> I've done run ups and brief bursts of power to 4200 Engine RPM, (1917 Prop=
 RPM) which is about 32" manifold pressure, and seen 37" manifold pressure b=
riefly. I know this is not enough power to take off, although I have done a P=
re-take off to 50 MPH with this power before powering down with roll out to t=
he end of the runway.  I suppose it would fly off and maybe clear the trees a=
t this power. I've lifted the tail, and rocked the wings with the ailerons. I=
t steers well and the brakes work.
> The water level in the engine stays up between flights as does the oil, an=
d the water temp today was consistent 163 F oil  about 173 with the highest o=
bserved 183F. I did about 4 pre-take off passes with taxi back, with excelle=
nt temperature control and throttle response.
> A couple of oil fitting were tightened looking for an oil seep.
> 7.3 hours engine running time on the EM2, about 2 hours since the engine o=
verhaul.
> I don't think I'm at all ready to fly this thing. I'm missing something, s=
o offer up some advice, I'm all ears!

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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>You are either over propped or something is wrong with the engine or tuning. &nbsp; At 37" mp you should be in the 5500-6000 &nbsp;rpm range. &nbsp; You didn't give the rpm at 16" mp and 11 deg BTDC so I can't tell if timing is in the ballpark or not. &nbsp;Is that the same rpm as your hat blew off (3000)? &nbsp;If so, you may be too retarded.</div><div><br></div><div>And of course we need your prop numbers to make a guess about anything. &nbsp;Prop chord at 70% on blade is good to know too. &nbsp;Do you have one of those wide chord airboat type props?</div><div><br></div><div>Tracy<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Sep 9, 2013, at 0:47, <a href="mailto:shipchief@aol.com">shipchief@aol.com</a> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><font color="black" size="2" face="arial">
<div><font style="background-color: transparent;">I've been slowly building my RV-8 with 13BT engine for about 14 years...!</font></div>

<div>On June 13th 2013&nbsp;it received the coveted Airworthiness Certificate. That same day I detonated my engine due to the trailing spark plug holes being machined oversize in an attempt to improve the single spark plug power, should the leading plug ignition fail. This, and possibly advanced ignition, and possibly over-boost detonated my engine on it's first high power taxi test. That took about 2.5 seconds.</div>

<div>Now I've rebuilt the engine with new unmodified rotor housings, and it runs better than ever. I've re-marked the timing marks on the pulley, and reset the timing, though not to 4000 RPM yet. today I checked it. At 3000 RPM my hat and hearing protection blew off. 11 degrees BTDC, and 16" manifold pressure.</div>

<div>I've been taxiing around at modest RPM, it's great. I've consistently been idling at about 1600 RPM, (730 prop RPM)&nbsp;and sometimes as low as 1490, (680 Prop RPM)&nbsp;smoothly. That is slow enough to keep the brakes from getting too hot.</div>

<div>I've done run ups and brief bursts of power to 4200 Engine RPM, (1917 Prop RPM) which is about 32" manifold pressure, and seen 37" manifold pressure briefly. I know this is not enough power to take off, although I have&nbsp;done a Pre-take off to 50 MPH with this power before&nbsp;powering down&nbsp;with roll out to&nbsp;the end of the runway.&nbsp; I suppose it would fly off and maybe clear the trees at this power. I've lifted the tail, and rocked the wings with the ailerons. It steers well and the brakes work. </div>

<div>The water level in the engine stays up between&nbsp;flights as does the oil, and the water temp today was consistent 163 F oil &nbsp;about 173 with the highest observed 183F. I did about 4 pre-take off passes with taxi back, with excellent temperature control and throttle response. </div>

<div>A couple of oil fitting were tightened looking for an oil seep.</div>

<div>7.3 hours engine running time on the EM2, about 2 hours since the engine&nbsp;overhaul.</div>

<div>I don't think I'm at all ready to fly this thing. I'm missing something, so offer up some advice, I'm all ears!</div>
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