X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-gh0-f182.google.com ([209.85.160.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.6) with ESMTPS id 6449661 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 16:32:02 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.182; envelope-from=ceengland7@gmail.com Received: by mail-gh0-f182.google.com with SMTP id z15so733539ghb.41 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:31:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EmPkjSyWCg/kDS6SpT6TsHwpYcuhBNn1xMgd+kyE7/A=; b=WtlmbpTi8aK7CSifMn6JCsBKzvrLJS9utlhDsB6ZC6cGxGtyO8wSLhBaUibZg7BjnO ezVkQR42AKjb/xQVrzgShlUy14RDbIzg2fejw28Wtg/XDKu7rlOZMjnz1mf8Z1NcHeqk kQzxcVYqWyLS3kA07u+HMXqjgMF7uunTl2D/qdoTKejV73zvLljSPgT81AB/2/bS2mH/ OpeJedjn2BBLCUn9fyRa/864bsM8LwiIGZWW1z6DI5z21iWy+aOUZFlwjhu75BkHiHWG 4Q1ht5pJQVN5WMKFW+UDBPc8afRCGX0Xup5O7gysAGE/j7mWY8wx2a9a98caDeb2isU5 xIUw== X-Received: by 10.236.125.162 with SMTP id z22mr14614532yhh.52.1377981087291; Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.10.17] (adsl-98-95-172-140.jan.bellsouth.net. [98.95.172.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id h66sm5789566yhb.7.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 31 Aug 2013 13:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5222529E.1070208@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2013 15:31:26 -0500 From: Charlie England User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Foamhenge/Stonehenge (re-henged) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The goal is even distribution across the core. The expansion rate from inlet to core face is *marginally* similar to a K&W streamline duct, but the core is not perpendicular to the inlet, nor is it centered on the inlet (cowling/engine hardware restraints). The left edge of the core is actually inside the imaginary cylinder extending aft from the inlet, & the right & bottom edges are several inches outside the 'cylinder', with the core is at a significant angle to the streamline, as well. Because of this, the duct has to turn sharply left and down (when viewed from the front) to find the edges of the core. The turns are far too tight for the air to make the turns without some help. So I decided to build the duct with horizontal & vertical turning vanes that divide the duct into 4 sections, kinda like a 'multicellular sectoral horn' speaker. The pics are not intended to say 'do it this way'; they just say 'this is what I'm trying'. :-) Charlie On 08/31/2013 02:54 PM, Scott Emery wrote: > So the 'turning vanes' are to make sure inlet velocity is converted to pressure? > Or do they spread out the airflow so it flows thru the whole cooler, not just one round spot in the middle? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 31, 2013, at 12:09 PM, Charlie England wrote: > >> Well, that's how long it's been since I made any progress on it; I forgot the pun in the original email. >> >> Tracy got it right. This will hopefully be the diffuser for my oil cooler. It will mount in the left nostril similar to Tracy's 20B 3rotor setup. Same core, with ~10"x10" face. If it 'almost cools' a 3 rotor, it should be fine on a 2 rotor. The radiator is still on the right side with an extreme wedge style diffuser. I found that I had to use a turning vane in it, to get even flow through the core. The turns are even more extreme with the oil cooler (much shorter diffuser), so I decided to include the turning vanes from the git-go (Southernism). Still a few more steps to go before I can check the flow, but I'll post a video of the flow once it's completed. >> >> Charlie >> >> >> >> >> >> On 08/31/2013 11:40 AM, Tracy wrote: >>> That might not be a bad idea to implement steering vanes in case diffuser flaws cause separation! >>> >>> Tracy >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:22, Charlie E wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>