X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com ([17.158.58.247] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6068900 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:46:30 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.247; envelope-from=steveizett@me.com Received: from [10.1.1.6] (58-7-247-163.dyn.iinet.net.au [58.7.247.163]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MID001VEZ8G1A70@nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 22:45:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-02-17_06:2013-02-15,2013-02-17,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1302170256 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Intake progress From: Stephen Izett In-reply-to: Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:45:51 +0800 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Message-id: <588DADCF-4ED1-45A0-A5BB-51F8C79F2BBE@me.com> References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) Hi Charlie I think it looks very much like tracy's RV4 setup so hopefully get the = same good results. Is Tracy getting ~200HP @ 7500. =46rom memory Tracy's runners may have been a little shorter and the = bell mouths closer to the end of the plenum,=20 and I thought he would have liked slightly longer ones. Re plenum volume - nice thinking me thinks. Steve Izett Renesis 4 port Glasair SIIRG nearing completion. On 18/02/2013, at 4:41 AM, Charlie England wrote: >=20 > Now that everyone's awake again, I thought I'd send a pic of my intake = progress (RV-7 Renesis with James Lyc cowl). I played with a couple of = different materials for the bell mouths. I tried gluing up some 1/4" = plexi from an old windshield, but used super glue instead of proper = plexi cement (which I wasn't able to find locally in a hurry). The 1st = try popped apart on the lathe; the 2nd turned out ok. Next effort was = with 3/4" MDF (medium density fiberboard). That went well, until I put a = little too much side pressure on the ring (homemade cutting tool) after = undercutting the center section. Overall tube lengths will be ~11 3/4" = block surface to bell ends. The plenum is *much* bigger than most tuning = sites recommend. I figure that I can experiment with plenum size by just = stuffing it with rigid foam to take up some volume, if needed. Going the = other way wouldn't be so easy. :-) >=20 > Since I don't have Mark's TIG skills, I thought I'd ask what others = have used in joining thin wall tubing to 1/4" aluminum plate. Aluminum = brazing rod? High temp epoxy? JB weld? I do intend to add bracing from = the plate to the plenum assembly to take some of the cantilever & = vibration stress off the tubes. >=20 > I'm using this length and concept because Tracy has had great luck = with both HP & BSFC on his Renesis with a similar configuration. = However, I'm curious about how others have adapted the common Helmholtz = intake tuning formulas to the rotary. Would anyone care to 'show their = (math) work'? Renesis users would be better for me, but any calcs would = do. When I tried to adapt the common formulas to a rotary, I was getting = 'interesting' results, so I'd like to know if I got lost somewhere while = trying to plug rotary 'valve' timing into the formulas. >=20 > Charlie > (Sorry for the sideways iphone pic; I guess you can pretend that = you're looking down on it...) > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html