X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.164] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6054794 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:19:37 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.164; envelope-from=ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.75]) by imr-mb01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 0C8561C00018E for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-dsa004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsa004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.252.77]) by mtaomg-mb04.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 1D629E000085 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:19:02 -0500 (EST) From: ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Full-name: ARGOLDMAN Message-ID: <5454.3e391223.3e493085@aol.com> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 12:19:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Crickets.... To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_5454.3e391223.3e493085_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 5004 X-Originating-IP: [67.184.50.137] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1360516743; bh=xHWyzwnz1mwKj5N5azMI3Y64q9w60AS2eGrui8E99Rk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eU/TrmCTVQrftpLhIE5V5htILNyyqYjzgAfuXaui5x5TLmAMlCB30NhFPbqhta2Lv Ak0tNT3+QSB0wRsE1AulNtelwpvqwZjHztSMBl3adA0QVsDPO3EJv+Tb/Zl6nTcnHW nuh5xJjy8cRB8kCtMpH32NanE9eyy6pdYPiLoaeE= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:431064992:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d294b5117d68655cd --part1_5454.3e391223.3e493085_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en Dave, =20 without commenting on my opinion of firearms, carry, etc etc, =20 The concept of aircraft crew carrying confuses me. The pilots are now =20 locked in their ivory tower basically hermetically sealed from the cabin. I= n =20 order for their fire arms to be effective they must open that door. Once th= e =20 cockpit door has been opened, the gun holder is faced with the question of= =20 who to shoot (or shoot at) as well as not knowing how many perps and what= =20 kind of weaponry they may be carrying. and who may be just at the door=20 waiting to disable them and grab the weapon. Does this carrying arms reall= y=20 increase the safety of flight?=20 =20 It would protect the pilot from his Co or vice virtue, of course if they = =20 successfully shot each other better hope for external conversion to remote = =20 piloting. =20 Perhaps it is the flight attendants that should carry-- or are they subject= =20 to the possible forcible confiscation of their weapons. =20 This seems to be a problem, much more complex and sophisticated than just = =20 arm everybody. =20 Perhaps the instantaneous injection of an anesthetic gas to incapacitate = =20 all in the cabin after which the pilots with appropriate breathing apparatu= s =20 could do a triage and secure the aircraft.-- But then we have to consider= =20 the potential possible lethal side effects. =20 How effective has the Sky martial program been. I do know that the pilot is= =20 notified when one is on board. =20 Wondering..... =20 Gen aviation is the way to go--- just look in the back seat prior to fligh= t =20 Rich =20 =20 =20 In a message dated 2/10/2013 9:48:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, =20 wdleonard@gmail.com writes: Easy for you to say, you must not live in the Socialist Republic of CA :-)= =20 It's funny that so man people feel so strongly about DOing SOMEthing about= =20 to help prevent these tragedies. Great, what we should DO, at a federal= =20 level, is make it easier and more socially acceptable to carry concealed, = or=20 even open carry. That is the most feasible way in my mind to minimize=20 these events. I buddy of mine went through the federal program for commer= cial=20 pilots. He said it was very well done, about a week worth of training. =20 There should be a Federal Concealed Carry program of similar scope open to= =20 all (non felons etc) as a constitutional right to carry (part of bearing = =20 arms, cannot be excluded by states, valid nation-wide). But I am preaching to the believers. --=20 David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY _http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net_ (http://n4vy.rotaryroster.net/)=20 _http://RotaryRoster.net_ (http://rotaryroster.net/)=20 On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Bill Bradburry <_bbradburry@bellsouth.net_= =20 (mailto:bbradburry@bellsouth.net) > wrote: =20 This may just be a concealed, concealed carry list! :>)=20 If you don=E2=80=99t have a CWP, allow me to recommend it!=20 Bill B=20 --part1_5454.3e391223.3e493085_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en
Dave,
 
without commenting on my opinion of firearms, carry, etc etc,
 
The concept of aircraft crew carrying confuses me. The pilots are now= =20 locked in their ivory tower basically hermetically sealed from the cabin. I= n=20 order for their fire arms to be effective they must open that door. Once th= e=20 cockpit door has been opened, the gun holder is faced with the question of = who=20 to shoot (or shoot at) as well as not knowing how many perps and what kind = of=20 weaponry they may be carrying. and who may be just at the door waiting to= =20 disable them and grab the weapon. Does this carrying arms really increase t= he=20 safety of flight?
 
It would protect the pilot from his Co or vice virtue, of course if th= ey=20 successfully shot each other better hope for external conversion to remote= =20 piloting.
 
Perhaps it is the flight attendants that should carry-- or are they su= bject=20 to the possible forcible confiscation of their weapons.
 
This seems to be a problem, much more complex and sophisticated than j= ust=20 arm everybody.
 
Perhaps the instantaneous injection of an anesthetic gas to incapacita= te=20 all in the cabin after which the pilots with appropriate breathing apparatu= s=20 could do a triage and secure the aircraft.-- But then we have to consider t= he=20 potential possible lethal side effects.
 
How effective has the Sky martial program been. I do know that the pil= ot is=20 notified when one is on board.
 
Wondering.....
 
Gen aviation is the way to go--- just look in the back seat prior to= =20 flight
 
Rich
 
 
In a message dated 2/10/2013 9:48:07 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 wdleonard@gmail.com writes:
=
Easy for you to say, you must not live in the Socialist Republic of = CA=20 :-) 

It's funny that so man people feel so strongly about DOing SOMEthing= =20 about to help prevent these tragedies.  Great, what we should DO, at= a=20 federal level, is make it easier and more socially acceptable to carry=20 concealed, or even open carry.  That is the most feasible way in my = mind=20 to minimize these events.  I buddy of mine went through the federal= =20 program for commercial pilots. He said it was very well done, a= bout=20 a week worth of training.  There should be a=20 Federal Concealed Carry program of similar scope open to all=20 (non felons etc) as a constitutional right to carry (part of be= aring=20 arms, cannot be excluded by states, valid nation-wide).

But I am preaching to the believers.

-- 
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VYhttp://N4VY.RotaryRoster.nethttp://RotaryRoster.net

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 5:19 AM, Bill Bradburry = <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

This may jus= t be a=20 concealed, concealed carry list! =20 :>)

 

If you don= =E2=80=99t have a=20 CWP, allow me to recommend it!

 

Bill=20 B



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