X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f182.google.com ([209.85.223.182] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6054676 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 10:10:01 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.223.182; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by mail-ie0-f182.google.com with SMTP id k14so6761117iea.13 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:09:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=OY7EbjOTLP74SfdSUfeOvIyvBEqQpiknCr4ZLNln/m8=; b=g443zJ2Gtvy9VigIA+LMrlfyrBqiqWKPr7xx84qrHTdl81njnfl4aIJafcgqMZVX9/ x/Q7jECLfSwj8BDa09SIH4+ssBJwGiL6iBrG2MdLq7vHiJhPMvPTM7xWnlNXj454Ivkk fC5ClCFjQAFGbaLZLlCYgelMPMwNc+ZcALCwAVHZE3XHaak3HPLTlPQizN7RiXDfZ1jl ItrMNqs3nNiS5R1OxhjSg34Wq5OtLJX2G4MSXo05vtjmPR6VaUsoQlaTqFzorAf42Csh BpdIV1zbSzRhq+C8otLO6JLNKULmPmcFjB0i9OoAr0qhNonvUwO9X+IyFNhc++INvfIv dPlA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.196.132 with SMTP id im4mr7580197igc.58.1360508965662; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.71.195 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:09:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2013 07:09:25 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Crickets.... From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9340b639cae2504d5602d34 --14dae9340b639cae2504d5602d34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Woha, we are having a gun chat. Cool. I love laxammo, in normal times they have great prices on reloads at the local gun show. A year ago I paid $.23/rd for .223 and $.28/rd for 45 ACP and .40 cal. Sigh. For aircraft accessories I have at different times brought along a 22 pistol, a .380 auto, a glock 33 (.357 sig), and a 30-30 lever (I like the way you think, Dale). Other than flying somewhere just to go shoot, I try to think of possible needs. Those seem to be hunting, self defense from critters, self defense from people, and possibly signaling. If hunting for sustenance in an unplanned survival situation I like the .22. Unlikely you will be going shopping for that 8-point buck in a survival situation, possibly injured. Most likely small ground game is whats for dinner. I keep meaning to get a survival rifle but an accurate pistol would work well (which is why I have brought along my .22 pistol). Small, light, and inconspicuous especially with the barrel removed. Actually this might be a good time to get a survival rifle because everything else is sold out (Buds has them in stock). An AR7 would be the classic example: http://www.impactguns.com/henry-arms-ar-7-survival-rifle-black-h002b-619835002006.aspx For self defense from critters, pretty much anything will do. Lets face it, the scenario of a charging grizzly immune to the sting of .22 cal lead is pretty darn unrealistic. Sure, if you get into a fight with a grizzly and expect a .22 to save you at the last minute it wont work. But the realistic scenario is more like you are crashed and waiting rescue and that bear (probably black) or mountain lion, or wolf/dog pack comes sniffing around. He is hesitant, unsure. Even with the smell of blood in the air, a few plinks from a .22 is going to scare him off every time. For self defense from people, by far the most likely reason to need a gun, the situation is also much harder to predict. Crazy person running around the airport? Maybe you need something to conceal for a variety of reasons. Maybe you want to take a little longer shot. Maybe you will end up needing something with quicker stopping power. You want it small an light yet durable and reliable. You can choose your own compromises there, my thinking goes something like this: A full sized Glock or XD etc is pretty darn hard to conceal so those are pretty much out in my opinion. A 1911 is a little more doable. The .380 is adequate up close and is extremely light and concealable with light weight ammo, but it looses accuracy very quickly with distance. This might make a nice combo with a survival rifle or 30-30 to keep in the plane. For a single weapon, compact and sub-compact sized guns like mini 1911's, the glock 26/27 and similar offerings and are a reasonable compromise. Accurate and potent out at least twice as far as the .380 yet still very concealable. I have started to admire the .357 sig round of late. Inside of 20 yds it's FMJ round has the same stopping power as a hollow nose .40 or .45 (because of the speed of the round) yet improved barrier penetration and a flatter trajectory for longer shots. Whatever though, its all lead downrange. The 30-30 has been around so long for a reason. It is light, maneuverable, low profile, and rugged. It just seems at home in a mountain environment. Obviously perfect for bringing along on a horse or mounting for easy access in a plane. It does an excellent job at everything we need except concealed carry. Finally, the AR-15 is king for a reason. Primarily because of the light-weight yet effective ammo. Hunt small stuff at a much longer range than a .22, good protection from big things up close. Can put lots of lead downrange quickly in the unlikely (but not entirely unrealistic) event that is what you need for the particular situation. Compact, especially with a collapsible stock. But feature creep tends to make them a little more bulky. not nearly as sleek as the 30-30. Dale has a good point about the social unacceptability in some people's eyes. I cant see carrying one on a regular basis, but it would be the go-to if I ever had some sort of a real reason. Airplanes, guns, beer... what could go wrong? -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Ed Anderson wrote: > ** > Bullets do rotate in the rifled barrel- so this could be call a "Rotary" > topic{:>) > > I just got a new sig Sauer P226 DAK (40 cal) and found a 500 rnd case of > ammo at this place for a "reasonable" price: > > https://www.laxammo.com/ > > Ed > > > --14dae9340b639cae2504d5602d34 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Woha, we are having a gun chat. =A0Cool.

I love laxammo,= in normal times they have great prices on reloads at the local gun show. = =A0A year ago I paid $.23/rd for .223 and $.28/rd for 45 ACP and .40 cal. S= igh.

For aircraft accessories I have at different times brou= ght along a 22 pistol, a .380 auto, a glock 33 (.357 sig), and a 30-30 leve= r (I like the way you think, Dale).=A0

Other than = flying somewhere just to go shoot, I try to think of possible needs. =A0Tho= se seem to be hunting, self=A0defense=A0from critters, self=A0defense=A0fro= m people, and possibly signaling.

If hunting for=A0sustenance=A0in an unplanned survival = situation I like the .22. =A0Unlikely you will be going shopping for that 8= -point buck in a survival situation, possibly injured. =A0Most likely small= ground game is whats for dinner. =A0I keep meaning to get a survival rifle= but an accurate pistol would work well (which is why I have brought along = my .22 pistol). =A0Small, light, and inconspicuous especially with the barr= el removed. =A0Actually this might be a good time to get a survival rifle b= ecause everything else is sold out (Buds has them in stock). =A0An AR7 woul= d be the classic example:


For self defense from=A0critters, pretty much anything will do. = =A0Lets face it, the=A0scenario=A0of a charging=A0grizzly=A0immune to the s= ting of .22 cal lead is pretty darn unrealistic. =A0Sure, if you get into a= fight with a=A0grizzly=A0and=A0expect=A0a .22 to save you at the last minu= te it wont work. =A0But the realistic=A0scenario=A0is more like you are cra= shed and waiting rescue and that bear (probably black) or mountain lion, or= wolf/dog pack comes sniffing around. =A0He is=A0hesitant, unsure. Even wit= h the smell of blood in the air, a few plinks from a .22 is going to scare = him off every time.

For self=A0defense=A0from people, by far the most likel= y reason to need a gun, the situation is also much harder to predict. =A0Cr= azy person running around the airport? =A0Maybe you need something to=A0con= ceal=A0for a variety of reasons. =A0Maybe you want to take a little longer = shot. =A0Maybe you will end up needing something with quicker stopping powe= r. =A0You want it small an light yet durable and reliable. =A0You can choos= e your own compromises there, my thinking goes something like this:

A full sized Glock or XD etc is pretty darn hard to=A0c= onceal=A0 so those are pretty much out in my opinion. =A0A 1911 is a=A0litt= le=A0more doable.

The .380 is adequate up close an= d is=A0extremely=A0light and=A0concealable=A0with light weight ammo, but it= looses accuracy very quickly with distance. =A0This might make a nice comb= o with a survival rifle or 30-30 to keep in the plane.

For a single weapon, compact and sub-compact sized guns= like mini 1911's, the glock 26/27 and similar offerings and =A0are a r= easonable compromise. =A0Accurate and potent out at least twice as far as t= he .380 yet still very=A0concealable.=A0 =A0I have started to admire the .3= 57 sig round of late. =A0Inside of 20 yds it's FMJ round has the same s= topping power as a hollow nose .40 or .45 (because of the speed of the roun= d) yet improved barrier=A0penetration=A0and a flatter trajectory for longer= shots. =A0Whatever though, its all lead downrange.

The 30-30 has been around so long for a reason. =A0It i= s light, maneuverable, low profile, and rugged. =A0It just seems at home in= a mountain environment. =A0Obviously perfect for bringing along on a horse= or mounting for easy access in a plane. =A0It does an excellent job at eve= rything we need except=A0concealed=A0carry.

Finally, the AR-15 is king for a reason. =A0Primarily b= ecause of the light-weight yet effective ammo. =A0Hunt small stuff at a muc= h longer range than a .22, good protection from big things up close. =A0Can= put lots of lead downrange quickly in the unlikely (but not entirely unrea= listic) event that is what you need for the particular situation. =A0 =A0Co= mpact, especially with a=A0collapsible=A0stock. =A0But feature creep tends = to make them a little more bulky. not nearly as sleek as the 30-30. =A0Dale= has a good point about the social unacceptability in some people's eye= s. =A0I cant see carrying one on a regular basis, but it would be the go-to= if I ever had some sort of a real reason.

Airplanes, guns, beer... =A0what could go wrong?
<= div>--=A0
David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net

On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Ed Anderson = <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Bullets do rotate in the rifled barrel- so this= =A0could=20 be call a "Rotary" topic{:>)
=A0
I just got a new=A0sig Sauer P226 DAK (40 cal) an= d=20 found a 500 rnd case of ammo at this place for a "reasonable"=20 price:
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Ed



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