X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.58.246] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6004171 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 05:59:15 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.246; envelope-from=steveizett@me.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_3Dkl2TuxkioIzke9kErWgg)" Received: from [10.1.1.6] (58-7-102-119.dyn.iinet.net.au [58.7.102.119]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MGE009W4P5I9Y10@nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:58:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8327,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-01-10_03:2013-01-10,2013-01-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1301100037 From: Stephen Izett Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Aeroquip hose changed to hiccup Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:58:31 +0800 In-reply-to: To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-id: <28CE39B5-FB49-463F-835F-C1E1B61145D9@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) --Boundary_(ID_3Dkl2TuxkioIzke9kErWgg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Tracy. All good, see it on the diagrams now. Steve Izett On 09/01/2013, at 10:33 PM, Tracy wrote: > I'm not sure I can pinpoint the serial numbers but if your original = installation guide wire list showed an O2 input (labeled as UNUSED at = that time) is is updatable to the closed loop version. I think = anything with a serial number higher than 300 had them. All of the = rectangular case EC2's had O2 input. =20 >=20 > Tracy >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Stephen Izett wrote: >=20 >> Hi Tracy >> Could you clarify what delineates the point where the EC2 has O2 = sensor input so I can ascertain if mine can take your latest closed loop = software? >>=20 >> Cheers >>=20 >> Steve Izett=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 09/01/2013, at 9:32 PM, Tracy wrote: >>=20 >>> There have been many updates in the past 4 years, but none of them = have been mandatory. Send it in for an update and I'll check everything = out at the same time. >>>=20 >>> Tracy >>>=20 >>> Sent from my iPad >>>=20 >>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:23 PM, "Bill Bradburry" = wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Brian, >>>> =20 >>>> AFAIK the upgrade in =9207 is the latest one. I have not heard of = an upgrade since that one on the EC-2. Discounting the one that Tracy = has ready now of course. >>>> =20 >>>> Bill B >>>> =20 >>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of bktrub@aol.com >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 7:16 PM >>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Aeroquip hose changed to hiccup >>>> =20 >>>> Oh yeah, I did also have my ECU upgraded in the last two years, = made a huge difference. Maybe you should get that done first to rule = that out as a factor.=20 >>>> =20 >>>> Brian Trubee >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Bill Bradburry >>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 1:56 pm >>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Aeroquip hose changed to hiccup >>>>=20 >>>> I don=92t know what is early. The last upgrade was Nov =9207. = What do I need to do to get the new upgrade installed? >>>> =20 >>>> Bill B >>>> =20 >>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:00 PM >>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Aeroquip hose changed to hiccup >>>> =20 >>>> Yes, bench testing on the EC2 version is complete. Don't know what = vintage your EC2 is but the early ones did not have O2 sensor inputs and = can't take advantage of the closed loop modes. That is unrelated to the = possible cause of the hiccup though. >>>> =20 >>>> Tracy >>>>=20 >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>=20 >>>> On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:37 AM, "Bill Bradburry" = wrote: >>>>> I went thru and cleaned up all my grounds and it seems to have = fixed everything with the exception of the hiccup.=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> Tracy, have you finished the bench testing on the EC-2 upgrade = yet? I would really like to try and see if that will fix this problem. = My wife really doesn=92t like that hiccup! >>>>> =20 >>>>> Bill B >>>>> =20 >>>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 3:41 PM >>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Aeroquip hose >>>>> =20 >>>>> I currently have a separate ground from each of the batteries to a = Nuckolls =93forest of tabs=94 ground point. Everything inside the = cockpit grounds here. Also the fuel pumps and injectors ground here. = The coils ground on the center iron. There are separate grounds from = each battery to the PSRU plate on each side of the starter. I have = considered bringing two separate grounds from the center iron to the = batteries just in case there is resistance getting from the center iron = to the PSRU plate. >>>>> I am also taking all my grounds apart to check for corrosion or = anything that seems that it might not be properly bonded. >>>>> =20 >>>>> I am doing this for two reasons. One, I am still getting that = occasional =93hiccup=94 that is violent enough to shake the plane when = it happens. It is bad enough that I am concerned that it might be bad = for the pin in the PSRU. I am also wondering if it could be the PSRU = that has sheared the pin and is slipping? Someone on here had that = happen and I would really appreciate a description of what that sounded = and felt like and also how I could make certain that is not the problem. = No, I don=92t want to dismantle the PSRU to check it unless that seems = to be the only way to check it. >>>>> =20 >>>>> Also, Tracy, how are you progressing on getting the upgrade for = the EC-2 that might fix this hiccup if that is what it is? I think you = had it done for the EC-3 and were working on the EC-2 implementation?? >>>>> =20 >>>>> The second reason for going thru the grounds is that I am having = an intermittent problem with my GTX327 transponder, MFD150 moving map, = and TruTrak autopilot shutting down. This seems to happen more often = when I key the mike on my GNS430W radio, but keying the mike is not = required. It sometimes happens just out of the blue. Also most of the = time, only the transponder shuts off. Only sometimes does the moving = map and autopilot join in the fun. >>>>> =20 >>>>> Everybody tells me that it sounds like a ground issue, hence I am = going thru the ground system. >>>>> =20 >>>>> I welcome all opinions and input! >>>>> =20 >>>>> Bill B >>>>> =20 >>>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy >>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 10:56 AM >>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Aeroquip hose >>>>> =20 >>>>> Tying the engine parts together should not be necessary but you = still need a separate ground from battery to airframe ground (if metal) = and your avionics ground point. Also separate feeds from +12 battery = to starter/alternator and avionics. You can Use the starter/alternator = feed for coils, injectors & fuel pumps to keep noise down on the = avionics bus. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Tracy >>>>> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Bill Bradburry = wrote: >>>>> Several months ago, after a discussion with Tracy, I ran grounding = straps from each battery to the PSRU plate on both sides of the starter = mount. I had previously had the grounding strap running between the = center iron and the =93forest of tabs=94 grounding block on the = firewall. Tracy suggested I move it so the starter amps would not get = into the grounding block. >>>>> Now I have the igniters grounded on the center iron and I am = considering running a ground strap from the center iron to the batteries = or trying to tie each section of the engine =93sandwich=94 together by = running a wire between them. This would to be certain that the ground = is good on the igniters. >>>>> =20 >>>>> Any opinions on this?? >>>>> =20 >>>>> Bill B >>>>> =20 >>>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Martin >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 8:29 PM >>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Aeroquip hose >>>>> =20 >>>>> Bill >>>>>=20 >>>>> As Mark says + make sure you have a ground cable/strap connected = battery direct to your starter. Do not expect starter to ground through = your engine without problems. >>>>> I remember Tracy posting on this issue years ago just a bit hard = to find in the archives now. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Andrew >>>>> =20 >>>>> On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Mark Steitle = wrote: >>>>> Bill,=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> You may want to check your engine ground. Starter current may be = causing this. >>>>> =20 >>>>> Mark S.=20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Bill Bradburry = wrote: >>>>> I am working on cleaning up my ground system and I noticed that I = have >>>>> several, 3 or 4, places on my SS braided fuel hose that appears to = be burnt >>>>> like it had an electrical spark exit from it. I have not found = anything in >>>>> the vicinity of these places that look like where the spark? would = have >>>>> jumped?? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Has anyone seen something like this and what should I do about it? = Do I >>>>> have a ground problem in the engine compartment or is this maybe = static? >>>>> The hoses are covered by SS and are connected on one end to a = filter that >>>>> has a ground strap on it and on the other end to the fuel rail = which is >>>>> grounded to the engine. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Bill B >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>>>> =20 >>=20 --Boundary_(ID_3Dkl2TuxkioIzke9kErWgg) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not sure I can pinpoint the = serial numbers but if your original installation guide wire list showed = an O2 input (labeled as UNUSED at that time) is is updatable to the = closed loop version.   I think anything with a serial number higher = than 300 had them.  All of the rectangular case EC2's had O2 input. =    

Tracy

Sent from my = iPad

On Jan 9, 2013, at 8:39 AM, Stephen Izett <steveizett@me.com> = wrote:

Hi Tracy
Could = you clarify what delineates the point where the EC2 has O2 sensor input = so I can ascertain if mine can take your latest closed loop = software?

Cheers

Steve = Izett 


On 09/01/2013, at = 9:32 PM, Tracy wrote:

There have been many updates in the past 4 years, but = none of them have been mandatory.  Send it in for an update and = I'll check everything out at the same = time.

Tracy

Sent from my = iPad

On Jan 8, 2013, at 11:23 PM, "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> = wrote:

=

Brian,

 

AFAIK the upgrade in =9207 is the = latest one.  I have not heard of an upgrade since that one on the = EC-2.  Discounting the one that Tracy has ready now of course.

 

Bill = B

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline= .net] On Behalf Of bktrub@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January = 08, 2013 7:16 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Aeroquip hose changed to hiccup

 

Oh yeah, I did also have my ECU = upgraded in the last two years, made a huge difference. Maybe you should get that = done first to rule that out as a factor. 

 

Brian Trubee

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net><= br> To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 1:56 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Aeroquip hose changed to = hiccup

I don=92t know what is early.  = The last upgrade was Nov =9207.  What do I need to do to get the new upgrade installed?

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: Tuesday, January = 08, 2013 12:00 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Aeroquip hose changed to hiccup

 

Yes, bench = testing on the EC2 version is complete.  Don't know what vintage your EC2 is but the early ones = did not have O2 sensor inputs and can't take advantage of the closed loop modes.  That is unrelated to the possible cause of the hiccup = though.

 

Tracy

Sent from my iPad


On Jan 8, 2013, at 8:37 AM, "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> = wrote:

I went thru and cleaned up all my = grounds and it seems to have fixed everything with the exception of the = hiccup. 

 

Tracy, have you finished the bench testing on the EC-2 upgrade yet?  I would really like to try and see if that will fix this problem.  My wife really doesn=92t like that = hiccup!

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline= .net] On Behalf Of Bill = Bradburry
Sent: Saturday, December = 08, 2012 3:41 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Aeroquip hose

 

I currently have a separate ground = from each of the batteries to a Nuckolls =93forest of tabs=94 ground = point.  Everything inside the cockpit grounds here.  Also the fuel pumps = and injectors ground here.  The coils ground on the center iron.  = There are separate grounds from each battery to the PSRU plate on each side of = the starter.  I have considered bringing two separate grounds from the = center iron to the batteries just in case there is resistance getting from the = center iron to the PSRU plate.

I am also taking all my grounds = apart to check for corrosion or anything that seems that it might not be properly bonded.

 

I am doing this for two = reasons.  One, I am still getting that occasional =93hiccup=94 that is violent = enough to shake the plane when it happens.  It is bad enough that I am concerned = that it might be bad for the pin in the PSRU.  I am also wondering if it = could be the PSRU that has sheared the pin and is slipping?  Someone on here = had that happen and I would really appreciate a description of what that = sounded and felt like and also how I could make certain that is not the = problem.  No, I don=92t want to dismantle the PSRU to check it unless that seems = to be the only way to check it.

 

Also, Tracy, how are = you progressing on getting the upgrade for the EC-2 that might fix this hiccup if that is what it = is?  I think you had it done for the EC-3 and were working on the EC-2 implementation??

 

The second reason for going thru = the grounds is that I am having an intermittent problem with my GTX327 = transponder, MFD150 moving map, and TruTrak autopilot shutting down.  This seems = to happen more often when I key the mike on my GNS430W radio, but keying = the mike is not required.  It sometimes happens just out of the blue.  = Also most of the time, only the transponder shuts off.  Only sometimes = does the moving map and autopilot join in the fun.

 

Everybody tells me that it sounds = like a ground issue, hence I am going thru the ground system. =

 

I welcome all opinions and = input!

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline= .net] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: Saturday, December = 08, 2012 10:56 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Aeroquip hose

 

Tying the engine parts together = should not be necessary but you still need a separate ground from battery to = airframe ground (if metal) and your avionics ground point.   Also = separate feeds from +12 battery to starter/alternator and avionics.  You can = Use the starter/alternator feed for coils, injectors & fuel pumps to = keep noise down on the avionics bus.

Tracy =

On Sat, Dec 8, = 2012 at 12:23 AM, Bill Bradburry = <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> = wrote:

Several months ago, after a = discussion with Tracy, I ran grounding straps from each battery to the PSRU plate on both sides = of the starter mount.  I had previously had the grounding strap running = between the center iron and the =93forest of tabs=94 grounding block on the = firewall.  Tracy = suggested I move it so the starter amps would not get into the grounding = block.

Now I have the igniters grounded on = the center iron and I am considering running a ground strap from the center = iron to the batteries or trying to tie each section of the engine =93sandwich=94 = together by running a wire between them.  This would to be certain that the = ground is good on the igniters.

 

Any opinions on = this??

 

Bill B

 

 

Bill

As Mark says + make sure you have a ground cable/strap connected battery = direct to your starter. Do not expect starter to ground through your engine = without problems.
I remember Tracy posting on this issue years ago just a bit hard to find in the archives = now.

Andrew

 

Bill, 

 

You may want to = check your engine ground.  Starter current may be causing this.

 

Mark = S. 

 

  

On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 = at 5:12 PM, Bill Bradburry = <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> = wrote:

I am working on = cleaning up my ground system and I noticed that I have
several, 3 or 4, places on my SS braided fuel hose that appears to be = burnt
like it had an electrical spark exit from it.  I have not found = anything in
the vicinity of these places that look like where the spark? would = have
jumped??

Has anyone seen something like this and what should I do about it? =  Do I
have a ground problem in the engine compartment or is this maybe = static?
The hoses are covered by SS and are connected on one end to a filter = that
has a ground strap on it and on the other end to the fuel rail which = is
grounded to the engine.

Bill B


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