X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa0-f52.google.com ([209.85.219.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTPS id 5786825 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 21:05:02 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.219.52; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by oago6 with SMTP id o6so3434813oag.25 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:04:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ESILIGcZo6AAt2XrNP71WcVAxFgPwbjaCafNL2tOZlw=; b=SOT/a7nP1rG9wpHE7s9AkyGmBe8HfxRat0c228XUcd3StVnrk3pur6YJeK4KKXKK4d 30q82R8Q8QcY5FZ+JTbC7dZI1nJZBfneb/CHgTXPUC4LQfGKgXJMr9xKe+YoqJwo6MUy ixFDuaVNYbgtXkrg88kDNPFgUQb++9djqXRFgHfTd5+fydMBHCk6Is1yyyADScZ3CYkW pk0ef/hiVzvn6SSd1w5w5QAfk7mmip1yKaPC13xk5ZFEi5Jk3YNj+EiuupnfJ7rj5UkR uGGgiwvXerePl+Bj3V35/ojTvzZ0pWyV/zTPKNimEMRlOSTvbeHXtsCtX7pyVH+oIHvl t82A== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.50.98 with SMTP id b2mr10730147obo.28.1349053466901; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.8.41 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Sep 2012 18:04:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:04:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Complete drawings for Intake mainfold...was xcessive LIM From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044481d9ad7de404caf4fcc1 --f46d044481d9ad7de404caf4fcc1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, Would your friend be open to the release of Dyno info so those of us perhaps interested in the manifold can make an educated decision if it develops power and torque in the rpm range most use on our aircraft projects ??.............. Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" Turbo/13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 7:47 PM, William Mason wrot= e: > Gordon, > > > The information largely belongs to Dennis and his team on the project. I= t > is not mine to give to an engineering company to use to make a manifold t= o > sell to the world. If you'd like to be pitched on a sale or a licensing > venture, let me know and I'll have him contact you if he's open to it. > The idea was that I would be allowed to use his research to help get my > project into the air. It wasn't to make money. > > > Please don't take any of this the wrong way... the benefits are a dyno > proven manifold that is smaller than stock and pre-fabricated for the res= t > of us that don't have the time, welding skills, or both. > > > regards > Bill > . > From: "Gordon Alling" > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Complete drawings for Intake mainfold...was > xcessive LIM > Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:53:42 -0400 > To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > While there are several of us who may have the resources and capabilities > to fab this, you haven=92t given us enough information to make that > assessment nor have you convinced us of the benefits. What is stopping yo= u > from sharing more of the information? > > > > Gordon C. Alling, Jr., PE > > President > > acumen Engineering/Analysis, Inc. > > > > 540-786-2200 > > www.acumen-ea.com > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > Behalf Of William Mason > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:36 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Complete drawings for Intake mainfold...was > xcessive LIM > > > > > > I can understand why there might be some skeptics in the group. > > > Does anybody have the know-how and time to pull a group-buy fabrication > project like this off? I think that with say the cost of say 10 manifolds= , > the price per copy would fall dramatically over a one-off, but is there > enough interest. > > > I'd like to see it happen, but with a 3 year-old, a full time flying job > that keeps me away, earning my masters degree, starting a business, and m= y > own RV-7 project, I think it'd be easier to drop the plans in a > fabricator's hands and write the check. Short of doing that, are there > options I should consider? > > > Heck, I might just have to write a check for a one-off, but this is a > community right. We can work together. > > > Regards, > Bill > -- --f46d044481d9ad7de404caf4fcc1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill,

=A0Would your friend be open to the release of Dyno info= so those of us perhaps interested in the manifold can make an educated
decision if it develops power and torque in the rpm range most use o= n our aircraft projects ??..............

Kelly Troyer
Dyke Delta_"Eventually"
Tu= rbo/13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2


On Sun, S= ep 30, 2012 at 7:47 PM, William Mason <instructorbill@msn.com>= wrote:
Gordon, =A0


The information largely belongs to Dennis and his te= am on the project. =A0It is not mine to give to an engineering company to u= se to make a manifold to sell to the world. =A0 If you'd like to be pit= ched on a sale or a licensing venture, =A0let me know and I'll have him= contact you if he's open to it. =A0The idea was that I would be allowe= d to use his research to help get my project into the air. =A0It wasn't= to make money. =A0=A0


Please don't take any of this the wrong way... =A0the benefits = are a dyno proven manifold that is smaller than stock and pre-fabricated fo= r the rest of us that don't have the time, welding skills, or both. =A0=


regards=A0
Bill
. =A0
From: "Gordon Alling" <= gordon@acumen-ea.= com>

Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Complete drawings for Intak= e mainfold...was xcessive LIM
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:53:42 -0400
To: "'Rotary motors in ai= rcraft'" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

=




Bill,



While there are several of us who ma= y have the resources and capabilities to fab this, you haven=92t given us e= nough information to make that assessment nor have you convinced us of the = benefits. What is stopping you from sharing more of the information?



Gordon C. Alling, Jr., PE

President

acumen Engin= eering/Analysis, Inc.



540-786-2200

www.acumen-ea.com



From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]= On Behalf Of William Mason
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 7:36 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Complete drawings= for Intake mainfold...was xcessive LIM





I can unde= rstand why there might be some skeptics in the group.


Does any= body have the know-how and time to pull a group-buy fabrication project lik= e this off? I think that with say the cost of say 10 manifolds, the price = per copy would fall dramatically over a one-off, but is there enough intere= st.


I'd like to see it happen, but with a 3 year-old, a full time f= lying job that keeps me away, earning my masters degree, starting a busines= s, and my own RV-7 project, I think it'd be easier to drop the plans in= a fabricator's hands and write the check. Short of doing that, are t= here options I should consider?


Heck, I might just have to write a check for a one-off, but this is= a community right. We can work together.


Regards,
Bill =



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