Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #58756
From: Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Oil leaking from between plates
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 22:14:26 -0400
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Correction:  That top RPM was 5640 tonight.

Am I remembering correctly that 5500 is the minimum static RPM that should be attained before considering a first flight?



Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net> wrote:

>Well, it has been a little more than a year (or three), and I only torqued it once then.  I'm going to go the route that there isn't enough pressure holding the plates together.
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>On a better note, the engine is spitting oil out the sides because it is making more power.  As I've been learning to twist the right Megatune knobs, I've had to back up, reconfigure and then retune multiple times.  But I've finally got it running smooth from an idle of 1500 to 5460.
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>Oh, and I got one of my wings put on today!!!
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>Lehanover@aol.com wrote:
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>>The case bolts are like thick rubber bands that stretch a long way when  
>>tightened. The object is to stretch them just into their working range when  
>>torquing them up. Once torqued they hold that clamping power for a few
>>months,  then they relax just a hint. So to find a bolt that is still at full
>>torque a  year or a half a year later is almost impossible.
>>
>>You discover that the bolts seem to be very tight if you attempt to add  
>>torque. Not the case (pun). The torque load has stuck the bolt at the head  
>>contact surface and the thread contact area. There is a word for this factor,  
>>but I forgot it. So the proper procedure is to unscrew the bolt a full
>>turn. The  idea that the torque is to be done with "Dry" threads is a bit
>>hopeful. Some  lubrication was there from running, less than perfect cleaning or
>>just touching  the threaded end with your hands. So the torque on each bolt
>>is actually  different to start with.
>>
>>So, if you want to see what the torque was approximately, mark a corner of  
>>the bolt head with a dot. Mark the case next to that dot. Unscrew the bolt
>>a  full turn with a breaker bar. Not a torque wrench.
>>
>>Set the (Clicker style) torque wrench to the torque you expect to  find.
>>Mark the socket right over the corner of the case bolt with the dot.
>>
>>In one smooth motion with no stops, crank the mark on the socket around  
>>until the mark on the iron lines up. You may find the click before that so
>>just  stop at the click. Or, you may not find a click so you just keep turning
>>until  the click. You may find that all of the bolts need to turn a bit
>>further to pull  the same torque. Or all of them stop before the marks line up.
>>
>>I use Nickel anti seize on the threads and under the heads and torque to  
>>the smaller of the torque range numbers. I torque the case bolts 6 times on
>>the  day of the build, then again the next day. I always find a few  unhappy
>>bolts the next day. You may loose a bolt now and then doing it my  way, so
>>keep a few spares on hand.
>>
>>If you are turning a bolt and it is not gaining torque, stop turning it a  
>>discard it.  
>>
>>Whatever method you use, do the torque pattern 6 times. You will be  
>>surprised how many bolts keep turning as the stack settles down to dead flat.
>>
>>The irons are just not all that stiff. If it is holding torque the stack  
>>will keep a warped iron flat enough to run. So the engine may finish the race
>> with all the irons junk and warped to junk status. So a leak from a warped
>>iron  is less likely.
>>
>>Will retorquing the stack stop the leak? Maybe....................
>>
>>Lynn E. Hanover
>>
>>
>>
>>message dated 8/17/2012 11:41:22 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
>>echristley@att.net writes:
>>
>>I have a  very slow oil leak, and I think I've traced it to originating at
>>the joint  between the rear rotor housing and
>>rear side plate.  I'd rather not  open the engine up to apply sealant, but
>>it is half a day's work to  disassemble
>>everything down to the point I can get a torque wrench on the  case bolts.  
>>I'm conflicted on if I should go ahead and
>>break the case  open if I'm down that far already.
>>
>>How likely is that the seeping oil  can be solved by re-torquing the case
>>bolts?  If the torque is correct,  is it likely
>>that the end plate is warped?
>>
>>Would a good plan be to  check the torque, and only continue disassembly if
>>there is no movement?   That is assume that if
>>it is torque properly it must be a warped plate or  missing sealant, but if
>>the torque is low bringing it up to spec will
>>solve  the leak.
>>
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