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From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff2479d9f16f304c713fd43 --e89a8ff2479d9f16f304c713fd43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Tracy, Actually, it is running pretty well since installing the injector diodes, except for a flat spot between fast idle and taxi speed. I recently replaced the 460cc primary injectors with 550cc injectors and then reset the map table to the default settings. It required very little adjustment from there. I'll see what I can do about getting you some MAP/RPM data. Mark On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Tracy wrote: > It's normal for an engine to have a higher than minimum MP at lowest idle > rpm but PP engines are a lot worse for this U shaped MP vs Throttle > position curve than others. Another aggravating factor is taking the MP > from a runner where velocity is high instead of a plenum where things are > relatively calm. So yes, uncharted waters there Mark. > > One thing that may help is a MAP table that has a lot more 'pages' in it > for RPM. The current version has 4 rpm pages but I'm working on a new > version that has 8. If you could give me a chart showing your RPM vs MP > over the range of say 800 to 2500 rpm, that would be useful information in > optimizing the rpm ranges in the new version. > > Tracy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: > > > Tracy, > > > > See Bobby's comments regarding my MAP at idle. My engine idles at > > about 17.5 - 18" MAP, but the MAP will drop lower when slightly off > > idle. I attribute this to the greater overlap of the p-port design. > > Makes tuning a little more challenging though. > > > > A while back I had posted a question about "normal" MAP readings for > > p-port engines but never got a reply. I guess I'm in unchartered > > territory. > > > > Mark > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: "Bobby J. Hughes" > > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:24:06 -0500 > > Subject: FW: [FlyRotary] Re: PP engine advice? > > To: Mark Steitle > > > > Might tell Tracy about your 18" MP at idle and slightly lower MP off > > idle. The other builders may be fighting the same issue. It would also > > be interesting to know if they are seeing MP this high in their > > installation. > > > > Bobby > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > > Behalf Of Mark Steitle > > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:32 AM > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: PP engine advice? > > > > Tracy, > > > > I ended up replacing the slide throttle with three individual 46mm > > throttle bodies. I too had trouble getting stable manifold pressure > > readings from the oil injection ports, so I installed MP taps just > > downstream of the butterflies in the TB's, one for each TB. They are > > tee'd together near the engine. That seems to be working just fine. > > I'm using the oil injection pump instead of pre-mix, so the oil > > injection ports are being used as originally intended by Mazda. > > > > If they are using a slide throttle, then the primary injectors should be > > located downstream of the slide else fuel will puddle on the upstream > > side during low throttle operation causing rough running. > > > > Update: The root of my tuning problems seems to have been the missing > > injector diodes. Once I installed the diodes, the engine idle was much > > improved and tuning has been a breeze. > > > > Mark > > > > > > On 8/5/12, Tracy wrote: > >> Mark. S. (and anyone else with PP engine experience) > >> > >> How did you end up getting a usable MP signal for the EC2/3? I have > >> another couple of builders who took Paul L's advice and used PP > > engines with > >> slide throttle mounted right to the ports. They are not having any > > luck > >> getting a stable MP using the oil injection ports on the rotor > > housing. > >> > >> Did you ever come up with a good solution? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Tracy Crook > >> > >> Sent from my iPad > >> > >> On Aug 5, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Mark Steitle wrote: > >> > >>> Charlie, > >>> > >>> My system uses those EFI filters also. They are Fram p/n G3727. > >>> They take a Saginaw fitting on the filter side (see pic). I don't > >>> recall where I purchased my AN-Saginaw fittings. > >>> > >>> Mark S. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Charlie England > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> I'm not flying yet, but I more or less copied Ed Anderson's filter > >>> configuration: each high pressure pump feeds a separate GM inline > >>> filter, with the outputs from the filters T'd back together to feed > > the regulator. > >>> There are AN adapters that screw into the filter. Attached is the > >>> only pic I could find. The pumps are off the bottom of the pic. > >>> > >>> Ed, do you have the NAPA # handy? > >>> > >>> Charlie > >>> > >>> > >>> On 08/05/2012 03:35 PM, David Leonard wrote: > >>>> > >>>> So my next question is how small of filtration do we need? ie, what > > > >>>> is the size of a particle that will fit through the injector nozzle > > easily? > >>>> > >>>> I was using the Earls sintered bronze element at 35microns, but I > >>>> also could use the SS screen version at 85 mic. The Peterson in > >>>> line 600 series is MUCH more expensive and comes in 45, 60, and 100 > >>>> micron SS screens. > >>>> > >>>> http://www.jegs.com/p/Peterson-Fluid-Systems/Peterson-600-Series-Fue > >>>> l-Filters/1528539/10002/-1 > >>>> > >>>> Those do have more surface area but will be a hassle for me to > >>>> retrofit, and not sure they are worth 4x the price of the earls. > >>>> Lots of other brands I have not explored yet. > >>>> > >>>> I like the sintered bronze for strength and durability. Other > > opinions? > >>>> > >>>> Dave Leonard > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, David Leonard > >>>> wrote: > >>>> Yea, mine is an Earls cleanable high pressure with maybe 10 sq cm > >>>> worth of area. Will look into the Peterson. Thanks Tracy. > >>>> > >>>> Dave Leonard > >>>> > >>>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Tracy wrote: > >>>> Al probably means the filter that's on factory in-tank pumps. OK, > > but > >>>> very hard to implement on RV wet-wing tanks. I used a gascolator > > for > >>>> low side filter on my -4. Worked OK and when it clogged, switching > > > >>>> on the backup pump with main pump caused the screen disk to collapse > > and let > >>>> fuel bypass it. which is better than no fuel at > >>>> all but not an ideal solution. > >>>> > >>>> On the -8 i used a cleanable Peterson filter with TONS of filter > > area, > >>>> works great. That was a replacement for the Summit Racing fuel > > filter > >>>> with a filter element disk the size of a nickel. It clogged up in > >>>> about about 5 hours of flight. > >>>> > >>>> Tracy > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>> > >>>> On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:18 AM, David Leonard > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Yes, it was the high side filter. I don't have any low side > > filters. > >>>>> Would be interested in a source for the self-cleaning fool-proof > >>>>> low side filters that Al mentions. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> David Leonard > >>>>> > >>>>> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > >>>>> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net > >>>>> http://RotaryRoster.net > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Tracy wrote: > >>>>> I assume Al is referring to the pump intake side filter. So for > > the > >>>>> record, was it the inlet side or the high pressure side filter that > > > >>>>> clogged? ( Both are needed ) From the symptoms I'm guessing high > >>>>> side but not sure. > >>>>> > >>>>> BTW, nice job! > >>>>> > >>>>> Tracy > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>>> > >>>>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, "Al Wick" wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> As long as your are rebuilding, tremendous safety improvement by > >>>>>> using same fuel filter method that all cars use. No matter how > >>>>>> much foreign material you throw at it, it can't clog. It minimizes > > > >>>>>> pressure drop, so lower risk of vapor lock. Self cleaning filter. > > Self priming pumps. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -Al Wick > >>>>>> Cozy IV powered by RDM Subaru 3.0R. > >>>>>> Expert at failure prevention methods, N9032U 240+ hours from > >>>>>> Portland, Oregon Glass panel design, Subaru install, Prop > >>>>>> construct, Risk assessment > >>>>>> info: > >>>>>> http://www.ez.org/pages/alwick/index.htm > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: Jeff Whaley > >>>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:38 PM > >>>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced Landing > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Dave, having gone through recently what you just experienced I > >>>>>> would like to say GOOD JOB on getting down safely and with such > >>>>>> little damage. Anyway at 1500 AGL there isn't a lot of time ... > >>>>>> obviously you made the right choices. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jeff > >>>>>> > >>>>>> (Rebuilding my Ride) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> From: David Leonard > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fw: Fw: [FlyRotary] Rotary Forced > > Landing > >>>>>> Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:18:47 -0700 > >>>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sigh.. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yup, that was me. I have been meaning to fess up. We were at about > > > >>>>>> 1500 agl when the fuses blew on my fuel pumps. I was in a close > >>>>>> formation of > >>>>>> 40 aircraft at the time too. I think I got some bad MOGAS > >>>>>> somewhere in Iowa as I did notice my fuel return flow creep > >>>>>> downward but didn't think it was a big problem. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On the incident flight, a one hour formation flight from SQI for a > > > >>>>>> mass arrival at OSH, the return fuel flow drifted down to zero. I > >>>>>> actually though it was a sensor problem. I didn't have the ability > > > >>>>>> to give it a lot of attention because we were in a loose > >>>>>> formation. Soon after we pulled it together for a tight formation > >>>>>> power switched off. I tried to find a road, but quickly ran out of > > > >>>>>> options and put it down in a bean field. With the beans hitting > >>>>>> the flaps it brought me to a stop in about 200ft, just before I > >>>>>> would have gone into the full grown corn. As mentioned, wheel > >>>>>> pants broke in half but no other damage besides pulling bean > >>>>>> leaves out of every nook and cranny. The farmers were very nice, > >>>>>> and the stories are true... they have attractive daughters. They > > were out there barefoot in their Sunday best enjoying the excitement. > >>>>>> Helped me clean the fuel filter and replace the fuses. Within a > >>>>>> couple of hours I was able to take off from one of their driveways > > > >>>>>> as they all waived good bye (but strangely, no one took me up on > >>>>>> my offer for a ride). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Landed at OSH just before dark to a reserved parking space and a > >>>>>> very warm reception from the formation group and friends. Great > >>>>>> support from everyone all around, though I am trying to avoid the > >>>>>> obvious new call signs they are trying to give me. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> David Leonard > >>>>>> This message, and the documents attached hereto, is intended only > >>>>>> for the addressee and may contain privileged or confidential > > information. > >>>>>> Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have > >>>>>> received this message in error, please notify us immediately so > >>>>>> that we may correct our internal records. Please then delete the > >>>>>> original message. 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Actually, it is running pretty well since inst= alling the injector diodes, except for a flat spot between fast idle and ta= xi speed. =A0I recently replaced the 460cc primary injectors with 550cc inj= ectors and then reset the map table to the default settings. =A0It required= very little adjustment from there. =A0I'll see what I can do about get= ting you some MAP/RPM data.

Mark

=A0=A0=A0

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmai= l.com> wrote:
It's normal for an engine to have a high= er than minimum MP at lowest idle rpm but PP engines are a lot worse for th= is U shaped MP vs Throttle position curve than others. =A0Another aggravati= ng factor is taking the MP from a runner where velocity is high instead of = a plenum where things are relatively calm. =A0So yes, uncharted waters ther= e Mark.

One thing that may help is a MAP table that has a lot more 'pages' = in it for RPM. =A0The current version has 4 rpm pages but I'm working o= n a new version that has 8. =A0 If you could give me a chart showing your R= PM vs MP over the range of say 800 to 2500 rpm, that would be useful inform= ation in optimizing the rpm ranges in the new version.

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:08 AM, = Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tracy,
>
> See Bobby's comments regarding my MAP at idle. =A0My engine idles = at
> about 17.5 - 18" MAP, but the MAP will drop lower when slightly o= ff
> idle. =A0I attribute this to the greater overlap of the p-port design.=
> Makes tuning a little more challenging though.
>
> A while back I had posted a question about "normal" MAP read= ings for
> p-port engines but never got a reply. =A0I guess I'm in unchartere= d
> territory.
>
> Mark
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Bobby J. Hughes" <bhughes@qnsi.net>
> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 09:24:06 -0500
> Subject: FW: [FlyRotary] Re: PP engine advice?
> To: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gm= ail.com>
>
> Might tell Tracy about your 18" MP at idle and slightly lower MP = off
> idle. The other builders may be fighting the same issue. It would also=
> be interesting to know if they are seeing MP this high in their
> installation.
>
> Bobby
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> Behalf Of Mark Steitle
> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 8:32 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: PP engine advice?
>
> Tracy,
>
> I ended up replacing the slide throttle with three individual 46mm
> throttle bodies. =A0I too had trouble getting stable manifold pressure=
> readings from the oil injection ports, so I installed MP taps just
> downstream of the butterflies in the TB's, one for each TB. =A0The= y are
> tee'd together near the engine. =A0That seems to be working just f= ine.
> I'm using the oil injection pump instead of pre-mix, so the oil > injection ports are being used as originally intended by Mazda.
>
> If they are using a slide throttle, then the primary injectors should = be
> located downstream of the slide else fuel will puddle on the upstream<= br> > side during low throttle operation causing rough running.
>
> Update: =A0The root of my tuning problems seems to have been the missi= ng
> injector diodes. =A0Once I installed the diodes, the engine idle was m= uch
> improved and tuning has been a breeze.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 8/5/12, Tracy <rwstracy@gm= ail.com> wrote:
>> Mark. S. =A0(and anyone else with PP engine experience)
>>
>> How did you end up getting a usable MP signal for the EC2/3? =A0 = =A0I have
>> another couple of builders who took Paul L's advice and used P= P
> engines with
>> slide throttle mounted right to the ports. =A0 They are not having= any
> luck
>> getting a stable MP using the oil injection ports on the rotor
> housing.
>>
>> Did you ever come up with a good solution?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tracy Crook
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Charlie,
>>>
>>> My system uses those EFI filters also. =A0They are Fram p/n G3= 727.
>>> They take a Saginaw fitting on the filter side (see pic). =A0I= don't
>>> recall where I purchased my AN-Saginaw fittings.
>>>
>>> Mark S.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 7:16 PM, Charlie England
>>> <ceengland@bells= outh.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> I'm not flying yet, but I more or less copied Ed Anderson&= #39;s filter
>>> configuration: each high pressure pump feeds a separate GM inl= ine
>>> filter, with the outputs from the filters T'd back togethe= r to feed
> the regulator.
>>> There are AN adapters that screw into the filter. Attached is = the
>>> only pic I could find. The pumps are off the bottom of the pic= .
>>>
>>> Ed, do you have the NAPA # handy?
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/05/2012 03:35 PM, David Leonard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So my next question is how small of filtration do we need?= =A0ie, what
>
>>>> is the size of a particle that will fit through the inject= or nozzle
> easily?
>>>>
>>>> I was using the Earls sintered bronze element at 35microns= , but I
>>>> also could use the SS screen version at 85 mic. =A0The Pet= erson in
>>>> line 600 series is MUCH more expensive and comes in 45, 60= , and 100
>>>> micron SS screens.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.jegs.com/p/Peterson-Flu= id-Systems/Peterson-600-Series-Fue
>>>> l-Filters/1528539/10002/-1
>>>>
>>>> =A0Those do have more surface area but will be a hassle fo= r me to
>>>> retrofit, and not sure they are worth 4x the price of the = earls.
>>>> Lots of other brands I have =A0not explored yet.
>>>>
>>>> I like the sintered bronze for strength and durability. = =A0Other
> opinions?
>>>>
>>>> Dave Leonard
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 12:42 PM, David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Yea, mine is an Earls cleanable high pressure with maybe 1= 0 sq cm
>>>> worth of area. =A0Will look into the Peterson. =A0Thanks T= racy.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Leonard
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Al probably means the filter that's on factory in-tank= pumps. =A0OK,
> but
>>>> very hard to implement on RV wet-wing tanks. =A0 I used a = gascolator
> for
>>>> low side filter on my -4. =A0Worked OK and when it clogged= , =A0switching
>
>>>> on the backup pump with main pump caused the screen disk t= o collapse
> and let
>>>> fuel bypass it. =A0 which is better than no fuel at
>>>> all but not an ideal solution.
>>>>
>>>> On the -8 i used a cleanable =A0Peterson filter with TONS = of filter
> area,
>>>> works great. =A0 That was a replacement for the Summit Rac= ing fuel
> filter
>>>> with a filter element disk the size of a nickel. =A0It clo= gged up in
>>>> about about 5 hours of flight.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2012, at 10:18 AM, David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, it was the high side filter. =A0I don't have = any low side
> filters.
>>>>> Would be interested in a source for the self-cleaning = fool-proof
>>>>> low side filters that Al mentions.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Leonard
>>>>>
>>>>> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
>>>>> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
>>>>> = http://RotaryRoster.net
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:34 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I assume Al is referring to the pump intake side =A0fi= lter. =A0 =A0So for
> the
>>>>> record, was it the inlet side or the high pressure sid= e filter that
>
>>>>> clogged? =A0( Both are needed ) From the symptoms I= 9;m guessing high
>>>>> side but not sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, =A0nice job!
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 2012, at 3:53 PM, "Al Wick" <alwick@juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as your are rebuilding, tremendous safety = improvement by
>>>>>> using same fuel filter method that all cars use. N= o matter how
>>>>>> much foreign material you throw at it, it can'= t clog. It minimizes
>
>>>>>> pressure drop, so lower risk of vapor lock. Self c= leaning filter.
> Self priming pumps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Al Wick
>>>>>> Cozy IV powered by RDM Subaru 3.0R.
>>>>>> Expert at failure prevention methods, N9032U 240+ = hours from
>>>>>> Portland, Oregon Glass panel design, Subaru instal= l, Prop
>>>>>> construct, Risk assessment
>>>>>> info:
>>>>>> http://www.ez.org/pages/alwick/index.htm
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Jeff Whaley
>>>>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2012 1:38 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rotary Forced Landing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave, having gone through recently what you just e= xperienced I
>>>>>> would like to say GOOD JOB on getting down safely = and with such
>>>>>> little damage. =A0Anyway at 1500 AGL there isn'= ;t a lot of time ...
>>>>>> obviously you made the right choices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Rebuilding my Ride)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: =A0 =A0David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: =A0 =A0Re: [FlyRotary] Fw: Fw: [FlyRotary= ] Rotary Forced
> Landing
>>>>>> Date: =A0 =A0Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:18:47 -0700
>>>>>> To: =A0 =A0Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sigh..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup, that was me. I have been meaning to fess up. = We were at about
>
>>>>>> 1500 agl when the fuses blew on my fuel pumps. I w= as in a close
>>>>>> formation of
>>>>>> 40 aircraft at the time too. I think I got some ba= d MOGAS
>>>>>> somewhere in Iowa as I did notice my fuel return f= low creep
>>>>>> downward but didn't think it was a big problem= .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the incident flight, a one hour formation fligh= t from SQI for a
>
>>>>>> mass arrival at OSH, the return fuel flow drifted = down to zero. I
>>>>>> actually though it was a sensor problem. I didn= 9;t have the ability
>
>>>>>> to give it a lot of attention because we were in a= loose
>>>>>> formation. Soon after we pulled it together for a = tight formation
>>>>>> power switched off. I tried to find a road, but qu= ickly ran out of
>
>>>>>> options and put it down in a bean field. With the = beans hitting
>>>>>> the flaps it brought me to a stop in about 200ft, = just before I
>>>>>> would have gone into the full grown corn. As menti= oned, wheel
>>>>>> pants broke in half but no other damage besides pu= lling bean
>>>>>> leaves out of every nook and cranny. The farmers w= ere very nice,
>>>>>> and the stories are true... they have attractive d= aughters. They
> were out there barefoot in their Sunday best enjoying the excitement.<= br> >>>>>> Helped me clean the fuel filter and replace the fu= ses. Within a
>>>>>> couple of hours I was able to take off from one of= their driveways
>
>>>>>> as they all waived good bye (but strangely, no one= took me up on
>>>>>> my offer for a ride).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Landed at OSH just before dark to a reserved parki= ng space and a
>>>>>> very warm reception from the formation group and f= riends. Great
>>>>>> support from everyone all around, though I am tryi= ng to avoid the
>>>>>> obvious new call signs they are trying to give me.=
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> David Leonard
>>>>>> This message, and the documents attached hereto, i= s intended only
>>>>>> for the addressee and may contain privileged or co= nfidential
> information.
>>>>>> Any unauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited= . If you have
>>>>>> received this message in error, please notify us i= mmediately so
>>>>>> that we may correct our internal records. Please t= hen delete the
>>>>>> original message. Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Leonard
>>>>
>>>> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
>>>> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
>>>> http= ://RotaryRoster.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> David Leonard
>>>>
>>>> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
>>>> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
>>>> http= ://RotaryRoster.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Homepage: =A0http://www.flyrotary.com/
>>> Archive and UnSub:
>>> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary= /List.html
>>>
>>>
>>> <Saginaw_2_AN.jpg>
>>> --
>>> Homepage: =A0http://www.flyrotary.com/
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