X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-db03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.91.97] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.6) with ESMTP id 5656350 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:04:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.91.97; envelope-from=ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.73]) by imr-db03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q6HK4BeM030275 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:04:11 -0400 Received: from core-dsc004b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dsc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.253.77]) by mtaomg-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id DADBFE000082 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:04:10 -0400 (EDT) From: ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Message-ID: <9577.6add9bed.3d371f3a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 16:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Electrical To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_9577.6add9bed.3d371f3a_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 168 X-Originating-IP: [24.14.64.174] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1342555451; bh=WK9llsVGFp8zefBPPXKvMkvV8BaFIGmi7Fxx8f2PdfM=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=cWxO5aHGG8MvFY8ToJ4kg8FMcusUsMnQa8Ziceg1wiPtifRR14/Cv66W52e77yeNb 2gE1w9HGB0bpx9tlArHKDDyXukjnVH9ETVzTajTrMDcWPlpmRCZ42cHNgtQI1832QF 4vrGMKiDijUOiDCMdm7iYYuCYZzUYO6rwD7TeYo8= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:503900224:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29495005c53a097b --part1_9577.6add9bed.3d371f3a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anybody thinking about the LI (Ballistic) batteries. Their power and specs (2-4Lbs) seem too good to be true. Apparently they have solved the fire problem plaguing cell phone and computer batteries. Starting should be no problem. I do wonder about their, as well as AGM, capacity in the case of Alternator failure. (time with power) Am knee deep in wiring as I write this. Trying to decide on dual alternators. The rotaries are hungry for electricity (EFI, EI, fuel pumps, etc). My primary alternator is the standard Renesis 100A type. I will externally regulate it. The aux, --unknown --possibly a 20A B&C, I have their aux that fits into the vacuum drive. Rich In a message dated 7/17/2012 2:35:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, BRogers@FDIC.gov writes: The Odyssey PC 680 is more than enough to start your engine That is what I use. See the following link. _http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm_ (http://www.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm) Bob J. Rogers Mustang II - N62BT Mazda 13b Turbo -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:18 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Electrical I used Odessy (sp?) AGM type batteries. 17 AH in the -4, 28 AH in the -8. Tracy Sent from my iPad On Jul 17, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Stephen Izett wrote: > Thanks Tracy > I'll look forward to reading your notes when you can send it. > What battery/s do you/have you use? > > Cheers > > Steve > On 17/07/2012, at 10:04 PM, Tracy wrote: > >> Hi Steve, I sent it to the list just before leaving on vacation. Unfortunately I later found that the message got bounced for size limitations. Can't seem to edit it down to size on this iPad so will do that when I get back in August. Will see if I can find a picture editing utility that works on iPad and maybe get it done sooner. >> >> My RV4 & 8 have just the basics, stock RX-7 alternator and a single battery that I check for capacity every annual. The significant details are in the PHYSICAL details of the layout. Digital electronics and inductive spikes from coils, solenoids, injectors, etc see a long wire as an open circuit during the first few nanoseconds. This is the factor that is most difficult for builders not familiar with electronics to understand. This isn't important with carburetors, distributors & points or magnetos but when you introduce a digital computer into the mix it's a different story. >> >> Tracy >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Stephen Izett wrote: >> >>> Tracy >>> >>> Have you got any further with your electrical wiring description you mentioned earlier. >>> Also, what setup do you have in the RV4 & 8 ? >>> What battery/s electrical system do you employ? >>> >>> Steve Izett >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --part1_9577.6add9bed.3d371f3a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anybody thinking about the LI  (Ballistic) batteries. Their power= and=20 specs (2-4Lbs) seem too good to be true. Apparently they have solved the fi= re=20 problem plaguing cell phone and computer batteries.
 
Starting should be no problem. I do wonder about their, as well=20 as AGM,  capacity in the case of Alternator failure. (time with= =20 power)
 
Am knee deep in wiring as I write this. Trying to decide on dual=20 alternators.
 
The rotaries are hungry for electricity (EFI, EI, fuel pumps, etc).
 
My primary alternator is the standard Renesis 100A type. I will extern= ally=20 regulate it. The aux, --unknown --possibly a 20A B&C, I have their aux = that=20 fits into the vacuum drive.
 
Rich
 
In a message dated 7/17/2012 2:35:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 BRogers@FDIC.gov writes:
=

The Odyssey PC 680 is more than enough to start= your=20 engine  That is what I use. =20 See the following link. http://w= ww.odysseybatteries.com/battery/pc680series.htm

 

Bob J. Rogers

Mustang II - N62BT

Mazda 13b Turbo

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy
Sent: = Tuesday,=20 July 17, 2012 2:18 PM
To: Rotary motors in= =20 aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Electrical

 

I=20 used Odessy (sp?) AGM type batteries.&n= bsp;=20 17 AH in the -4, 28 AH in the -8.

 

Tracy=

 

 

Sent from my iPad

 

On=20 Jul 17, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Stephen Izett <steveizett@me.com>=20 wrote:

 

> Thanks Tracy

> I'll look forward to reading your notes wh= en you=20 can send it.

> What battery/s do you/have you=20 use?

>

> Cheers

>

> Steve

> On 17/07/2012, at 10:04 PM, Tracy=20 wrote:

>

>> Hi Steve,   I sent it to the list jus= t=20 before leaving on vacation. =20 Unfortunately I later found that the message got bounced for size= =20 limitations.  Can't seem to= edit=20 it down to size on this iPad so will do that when I get back in August.   Will see if I can find a = picture=20 editing utility that works on iPad and maybe get it done=20 sooner.

>>

>> My RV4 & 8 have just the basics,  stock RX-7 alternator and a sin= gle=20 battery that I check for capacity every annual.   The significant details a= re in=20 the PHYSICAL details of the layout.&nbs= p;=20 Digital electronics and inductive spikes from coils, solenoids,=20 injectors, etc see a long wire as an open circuit during the first few=20 nanoseconds.   This is= the=20 factor that is most difficult for builders not familiar with electronics = to=20 understand.  This isn't imp= ortant=20 with carburetors, distributors & points or magnetos but when you intr= oduce=20 a digital computer into the mix it's a different=20 story.

>>

>> Tracy

>>

>> Sent from my=20 iPad

>>

>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 10:55 PM, Stephen = Izett=20 <steveizett@me.com> wrote:

>>

>>> Tracy

>>>

>>> Have you got any further with your= =20 electrical wiring description you mentioned=20 earlier.

>>> Also, what setup do you have in th= e RV4=20 & 8 ?

>>> What battery/s electrical system d= o you=20 employ?

>>>

>>> Steve Izett

>>>

>>> --

>>> Homepage: =20 http://www.flyrotary.com/

>>> Archive and UnSub:  =20 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html

>>

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>> Homepage: =20 http://www.flyrotary.com/

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