X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-gg0-f180.google.com ([209.85.161.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.6) with ESMTPS id 5644324 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 14:31:12 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.180; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by ggnf1 with SMTP id f1so9792919ggn.25 for ; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:30:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=hAoN3OZuv4lPJ4BVa99jHnpaaxKeDefSJqg9HxnHu90=; b=TTY+LPPQasAbopYcNFnsHLKgrbjS1klnkG/+2WcKYW79uiogPfr/Jvt2/KWBA0f+9S 2ydkEGdvtaeEuI3bhT/ev6j+k29UQU9qfyRb2auMmSdXuDXysPdQhRjQXcTdwhPQptbd uf++Pj055Ao7ZLlJ7nYFFRz71PFYqYcpXl3NacWMuZ3P24zs38WzqrvAM3sLQc/TGN6z Ay8jV1Hbe4ezMjwIJ+RtHddXfjlnLbs1bO/FfIR9qeiqjD+BpPwjc7EkKDUOta6jHXJ6 UcsS64PNkgEr4WV/e/q2Jl9fpWNvGnnXYQKv6F0dIMRUnp5hQ5ZiBgN1Sebg1+fITtLg GcWw== Received: by 10.236.195.72 with SMTP id o48mr48024257yhn.37.1341858636415; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.4] (196.sub-70-196-192.myvzw.com. [70.196.192.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l13sm30731084ann.2.2012.07.09.11.30.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: First lift off with single rotor References: From: Tracy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:30:30 -0600 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) My guess is that it is not excess pressure that is the problem. (we all wi= sh we had more MP available : ). =20 One possibility is turbulence around the mouth of the carb, had that happe= n on hod rods in my younger days. I turned the air scoop on carb around ba= ckwards and problem went away. You running an air cleaner or other intake p= lumbing that helps smooth the airflow at the entry of carb? =20 Better yet, go EFI which isn't sensitive this problem! Tracy Sent from my iPad On Jul 9, 2012, at 10:36 AM, "Richard Sohn" wrote: >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- From: Ernest Christley > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:12 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First lift off with single rotor >=20 > Richard Sohn wrote: >> Cleared the ground for a brief period today. As far as the airplane is >> concerned, everything is good. CG seems to be right on the spot. Much >> better as it was 12 years ago at the first flight with the SOOB. >> Here is the reason why it was not a flight. A few days ago when I >> started high speed taxi, as soon as it picked up air speed, the engine >> started to sputter and almost cut out totally. This was at the same RPM >> as at a run up, where it does not do that. With a wiggly tail dragger as >> the Avid is, there was no way reading enough instrument for making a >> preliminary analysis. I recorded the instrument panel with a GoPro at >> 2sec intervals. >> Looking at the first pictures, the answer came up right away, increasing >> pressure under the cowl where the intake for the engine is located. Like >> the EGT shot up over 1600 just before the sputtering started. Since my >> radiator air is going to the outside of the cowling, there was no impact >> on cooling. Btw cooling is really good. At an OAT of 95F, oil and water >> stayed at around 170F no matter what I did. >>=20 >> For todays runs, I taped the inlet around the prop hub shut. Sure >> enough, the sputtering occurred at higher airspeed, and was not as >> total, however, EGT was still going to around 1600. >>=20 >> The conclusion is, I have to open the cowling exits a lot. >=20 > I don't get it. The pressure under the cowl sounds like it would be a goo= d thing, because it sounds like it is enough > to cause the engine to lean out. If the cooling isn't a problem, why woul= dn't you just enrichen the mixture to > accommodate the extra air and accept the increase in power? >=20 > Ernest, >=20 > I am not using electronic fuel injection. My fuel system operates pretty m= uch like a carb with mixture control. In addition, I would not want to have t= o adjust the mixture when changing the air speed. > Your comment certainly reflects one advantage of EFI. >=20 >=20 > Richard Sohn > N2071U >=20 > http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.h= tml=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html