X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [137.118.16.58] (HELO smtp0.av-mx.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.6) with ESMTP id 5644181 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:06:38 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=137.118.16.58; envelope-from=res12@fairpoint.net Received: from MAIN (unknown [66.243.228.156]) (Authenticated sender: res12@fairpoint.net) by smtp0.av-mx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 172ED1C13A6 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8CB61ED64A564C8B9E9A1BDD6F7328B4@MAIN> From: "Richard Sohn" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: First lift off with single rotor Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:05:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006E_01CD5DCB.2FD317C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3555.308 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3555.308 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CD5DCB.2FD317C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don=E2=80=99t consider cooling drag a significant issue on an airplane = making barely 100MPH. The heat under the cowl is certainly something to = be considered. Thanks!! Richard Sohn N2071U http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html From: CozyGirrrl@aol.com=20 Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:48 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First lift off with single rotor Congratulations Richard, it's a great start. Big "general rule of thumb" is give your exit (in a low pressure area) = 150% of air inlet area. Think of the impact heat has on air in a hot air = balloon plus the under cowl turbulence and slowing the air way down in = there it is easy to see back pressure building up.=20 It is a good starting point and you can always begin blocking off bits = of both inlet and outlet once it all looks like it is cooling then you = can begin working on lessening the cooling drag. Chrissi & Randi www.CozyGirrrl.com ClickBonds 10/$7.50 CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop In a message dated 7/9/2012 10:50:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time, = res12@fairpoint.net writes: Cleared the ground for a brief period today. As far as the airplane is = concerned, everything is good. CG seems to be right on the spot. Much = better as it was 12 years ago at the first flight with the SOOB.=20 Here is the reason why it was not a flight. A few days ago when I = started high speed taxi, as soon as it picked up air speed, the engine = started to sputter and almost cut out totally. This was at the same RPM = as at a run up, where it does not do that. With a wiggly tail dragger as = the Avid is, there was no way reading enough instrument for making a = preliminary analysis. I recorded the instrument panel with a GoPro at = 2sec intervals. Looking at the first pictures, the answer came up right away, = increasing pressure under the cowl where the intake for the engine is = located. Like the EGT shot up over 1600 just before the sputtering = started. Since my radiator air is going to the outside of the cowling, = there was no impact on cooling. Btw cooling is really good. At an OAT of = 95F, oil and water stayed at around 170F no matter what I did.=20 For todays runs, I taped the inlet around the prop hub shut. Sure = enough, the sputtering occurred at higher airspeed, and was not as = total, however, EGT was still going to around 1600.=20 The conclusion is, I have to open the cowling exits a lot. Richard Sohn N2071U http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01CD5DCB.2FD317C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don=E2=80=99t consider cooling drag a significant issue on an = airplane making=20 barely 100MPH. The heat under the cowl is certainly something to be=20 considered.
Thanks!!
 
Richard=20 Sohn
N2071U

http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html
 
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 11:48 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: First lift off with single=20 rotor
 
Congratulations Richard, it's a great start.
 
Big "general rule of thumb" is give your exit (in a low pressure = area) 150%=20 of air inlet area. Think of the impact heat has on air in a hot air = balloon plus=20 the under cowl turbulence and slowing the air way down in there it is = easy to=20 see back pressure building up.
It is a good starting point and you can always begin blocking off = bits of=20 both inlet and outlet once it all looks like it is cooling then you can = begin=20 working on lessening the cooling drag.
 
Chrissi &=20 Randi

www.CozyGirrrl.com
Clic= kBonds=20 10/$7.50
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, = Sun-N-Fun=20 Engine Workshop
 
In a message dated 7/9/2012 10:50:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 res12@fairpoint.net writes:
Cleared the ground for a brief period today. As far as the = airplane is=20 concerned, everything is good. CG seems to be right on the spot. Much = better=20 as it was 12 years ago at the first flight with the SOOB.
Here is the reason why it was not a flight. A few days ago when I = started=20 high speed taxi, as soon as it picked up air speed, the engine started = to=20 sputter and almost cut out totally. This was at the same RPM as at a = run up,=20 where it does not do that. With a wiggly tail dragger as the Avid is, = there=20 was no way reading enough instrument for making a preliminary = analysis. I=20 recorded the instrument panel with a GoPro at 2sec intervals.
Looking at the first pictures, the answer came up right away, = increasing=20 pressure under the cowl where the intake for the engine is located. = Like the=20 EGT shot up over 1600 just before the sputtering started. Since my = radiator=20 air is going to the outside of the cowling, there was no impact on = cooling.=20 Btw cooling is really good. At an OAT of 95F, oil and water stayed at = around=20 170F no matter what I did.
 
For todays runs, I taped the inlet around the prop hub shut. Sure = enough,=20 the sputtering occurred at higher airspeed, and was not as total, = however, EGT=20 was still going to around 1600.
 
The conclusion is, I have to open the cowling exits a lot.
 
Richard=20 = Sohn
N2071U

http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html
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