X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com ([209.85.215.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.4) with ESMTPS id 5485781 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:30:10 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.215.52; envelope-from=fluffysheap@gmail.com Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so4488539lah.25 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uIwGMXb0RqMoGeWo416a2klkAIz/8SejDgdFNMxjUHU=; b=Cq9ZB7W/ginik22qwVWOlMAcPawtvbMeU+aFlFcF4r1GmLqDT2j29EGik/Qz+YIBts IzT/ibNTbPHdLpSJZQByVRDg3ZImZZ6mY4kLqpIf0mK1eBHGzTfmcmZXZDM0Q+TY8y5A mFtfWW4lUxjrM72iIF2eJLI1QGmbdYqlwjwWapFFgBWhSnA5sQiZ0L5bnQdTyXrurJns /acF2LJ/13wyBvHKLTPIz8bisFcn2LdRy45VSxBr71OsYY77k6IwuZAEl0nOJ0ib+u7H TNYG5QXW1B2t6ywfLWfhKZWu/qce0nisK6oYaGkshwtlbIT21mLixG3wNI4HqQRvFb6s /MWw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.83.5 with SMTP id m5mr4285307lby.10.1334694573799; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.151.103 with HTTP; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:29:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:29:33 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Laser Ignition, was: [FlyRotary] Re: The 16X is A L I V E... From: William Wilson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9d717caf47a2104bde5cba6 --14dae9d717caf47a2104bde5cba6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Coil on plug ignitions are commonplace now. I have it on two vehicles. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more new cars with this type of ignition than without it. I don't know of anyone adapting a CoP ignition to an engine originally designed without it. Especially with the rotary's odd plug arrangement. Not to say it is impossible, though. Just a matter of finding parts that fit and will light the mixture. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > Thanks Bill...........Are you aware of any other cycle or auto "COP" units > that may be out there that can also be > checked out for possible rotary use ??............. > > Kelly Troyer > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:47 AM, William Jepson wrote: > >> Kelly, I found these photos of the coils you can get an idea of what they >> look like. Bill >> On Apr 16, 2012 5:07 PM, "Kelly Troyer" wrote: >> >>> Bill, >>> Would you happen to have a photo of the "Coil On Plug" of your Yamaha >>> ??...............Interested in how they >>> are secured to the sparkplug............... >>> >>> Kelly Troyer >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:32 AM, William Jepson wrote: >>> >>>> Ok folks the thing is all you need is a SUCCESSFUL spark. It does not >>>> matter if the ignition is caused by a electrical spark or laser. The >>>> important thing is reliability. The motorcycle industry has been changing >>>> to coil-on-plug systems. Remember that many of the sportbikes have redlines >>>> over 13,000 rpm. These coil on plug systems can easily handle our rotary >>>> needs. Using a programer to control spark it would be easy to trigger them, >>>> and you could do a split or same time firing. We don't need bleeding edge >>>> tech. We need easy tech. My Yamaha 1000 uses the coil on plug technology. >>>> It is a 2008 model. We could harvest this tech for our use. The big >>>> advantage is only low-tension switching island needed. Using coil on plug >>>> you would have 4 coils on a 2 rotor. A single failure would only kill one >>>> plug. >>>> Bill Jepson >>>> On Apr 13, 2012 9:38 AM, "Ernest Christley" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> CozyGirrrl@aol.com wrote: >>>>> > And all this will work only if the combustion chamber is always >>>>> squeaky >>>>> > clean, no deposits or film on the windows, once that happens it all >>>>> goes >>>>> > to heck quickly. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> If you've got a film building up on the rotor housing's chrome face, >>>>> aren't you behind the curve already? I could see >>>>> it being a problem in a piston cylinder's head. I've had to chip off >>>>> gunk with a screwdriver it had built up so thick. >>>>> But they aren't constantly being wiped by an apex seal like in a >>>>> rotary. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> > > > --14dae9d717caf47a2104bde5cba6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Coil on plug ignitions are commonplace now.=A0 I have it on two vehicles.= =A0 I wouldn't be surprised if there are more new cars with this type o= f ignition than without it.

I don't know of anyone adapting a Co= P ignition to an engine originally designed without it.=A0 Especially with = the rotary's odd plug arrangement.=A0 Not to say it is impossible, thou= gh.=A0 Just a matter of finding parts that fit and will light the mixture.<= br>
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Kelly Troye= r <keltro@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Thanks Bill...........Are you aware of any other cycle or auto "C= OP" units that may be out there that can also be
checked out for possible rotary use ??.............
=A0
Kelly Troyer

On Tue,= Apr 17, 2012 at 12:47 AM, William Jepson <wrjjrs@gmail.com> = wrote:

Kelly, I found these photos of the coils you can get an idea of what the= y look like. Bill

On Apr 16, 2012 5:07 PM, "Kelly Troyer"= ; <keltro@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Bill,
=A0 Would you happen to have a photo of the "Coil On Plug" o= f your Yamaha ??...............Interested in how they
are secured to the sparkplug...............
=A0
Kelly Troyer

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:32 AM, William Jepson= <wrjjrs@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok folks the thing is all you need is a SUCCESSFUL spark. It does not ma= tter if the ignition is caused by a electrical spark or laser. The importan= t thing is reliability. The motorcycle industry has been changing to coil-o= n-plug systems. Remember that many of the sportbikes have redlines over 13,= 000 rpm. These coil on plug systems can easily handle our rotary needs. Usi= ng a programer to control spark it would be easy to trigger them, and you c= ould do a split or same time firing. We don't need bleeding edge tech. = We need easy tech. My Yamaha 1000 uses the coil on plug technology. It is a= 2008 model. We could harvest this tech for our use. The big advantage is o= nly low-tension switching island needed. Using coil on plug you would have = 4 coils on a 2 rotor. A single failure would only kill one plug.
Bill Jepson

On Apr 13, 2012 9:38 AM, "Ernest Christley&= quot; <echristle= y@att.net> wrote:
CozyGirrrl@aol.com wrote:
> And all this will = work only if the combustion chamber is always squeaky
> clean, no deposits or film on the windows, once that happens it all go= es
> to heck quickly.
>

If you've got a film buildin= g up on the rotor housing's chrome face, aren't you behind the curv= e already? =A0I could see
it being a problem in a piston cylinder's head. =A0I've had to chip= off gunk with a screwdriver it had built up so thick.
=A0But they aren&= #39;t constantly being wiped by an apex seal like in a rotary.




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