Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #55673
From: Richard Sohn <res12@fairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: RD-1B failure
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:40:40 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

I lost my confidence in using a flexplate about 8 years ago. I used it on my EA81 as a flywheel only. after about 45hrs flying time I found some scraping of the ring gear on the redrive mounting plate. It turned out to be cracked in a similar way shown and described here. The cracks showed all the symptoms of material fatigue. It obviously was experiencing flexmodes and possibly resonances without sufficient damping in the RPM range it was used in. Any of that flexing does not happen when attached to a torque converter.
First I tried an AL flywheel, which did not give me enough inertia for satisfactory idle. A steel flywheel weighing about 6lb did the trick. Never had a problem again.
FWIW. 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Wick
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 8:30 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RD-1B failure

There's a lot of history of this type of drive plate failure. It occurred on the Lou Ross psru with some frequency. I did measurements and analysis of the Lou Ross, then some experiments to prove cause and effect. Here's what I learned:
 
The drive plate has tremendous strength in the rotational axis, but very susceptible to fore/aft movement. All of the cracks are consistent with fatigue failure fore aft direction. In addition, the Lou Ross had symptoms which forecast drive plate risk. The width of the spline wear on the input shaft was a direct measure of how far the shaft moves fore aft. So if the spline on the drive plate had 1" of contact with the mating spline, yet you saw spline wear on shaft to be 1.25" wide, that was proof of 1/4" movement. In addition, this movement rapidly caused grease to be extruded from the little pilot bearing at the end of the input shaft. So you'd see grease streaks after only 5 hours of use. Looks like you don't have these same predictors, but I thought it was valuable to explain all of the supporting evidence.
 
Fuel combustion causes explosion which sends high energy pulse to drive train. Since the gears are helical, a portion of that energy is transferred into fore aft movement of the input shaft. Excessive clearance at the end of that shaft allows greater inertia of shaft. Beating on drive plate like a hammer. The input shaft is steel, the psru housing is aluminum. They don't expand the same amount when heated. As a result, the Ross psru had excessive clearance during operation. Getting rid of this excess clearance dramatically improved Ross design. No more loss of grease on that little pilot bushing. No more wide wear pattern on the input shaft spline. No more failure risk.
 
I also came up with this wild idea I could have zero clearance at end of input shaft. I tried it and surprise, it worked. I called it a "cage cap". See my web site. http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index_files/Page404.htm
 
I think you guys are using a pretty good psru. Very likely you have this same problem.
 
-Al Wick
Cozy IV powered by Turbo Subaru 3.0R.
Computer monitoring improves safety, N9032U 240+ hours from Portland, Oregon
Glass panel design, Subaru install, Prop construct, Risk assessment info:
http://www.maddyhome.com/canardpages/pages/alwick/index.html
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 4:17 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RD-1B failure

David, I have seen this multiple times in the auto repair business, as far as a cause,  on cars that someone had removed trans & did not reinstall all the retaining bolts, improper alignment of trans/eng., guide pin missing, trans bolts loose, damaged when trans installed (pry bar nicks all over the flywheel caused cracks) found a rag installed between trans & eng., & also on NEW cars with low miles no previous repairs performed.         I also found three Mazda auto trans flywheels as Tracy did, with very fine cracks around the lightening holes ( not the bolt holes )  when we were looking for one to use on our RV6A rotary.  I even asked the salvage yard guy to check for me & he missed them & shipped me that junk flywheel.         David R. Cook  RV6A Rotary,  Lansing MI.


From: "David Leonard" <wdleonard@gmail.com>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:27:57 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RD-1B failure

Left over pieces of flex plate - we being held together by  ???
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David Leonard

Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net

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