X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.152] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5022940 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:36:25 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.152; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm25.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2011 21:35:49 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.78] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2011 21:35:49 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2011 21:35:49 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 570186.75459.bm@omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 3659 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Jun 2011 21:35:49 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1308260149; bh=P+44srOBu5HgCGQs5/ZaexlYY8tkzqNrMfzj3+qAY0U=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=h6kFim7POUga62uhkmAFsojqlQqzqEoH+tW9JZ1Iyh3Bm4frbhjjVtRy4UqAV4AZhv9EvkLIGfVN1wTys/ocd4nMUbQDw7aAqbEuDscJzeNMOs8n6tN0Sg2b8HhEXBxH0t8pEXAfWJGTx3wMFuqdFL0Uv6E9GmemgS8He/J74d0= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=XDPNjRxJkCSvFW2Znop/0nT/347XjHSURSkO3Yma0mdKzpRCrQD5LCbB0h7HsrY/t4ELQI0m8x7yOOXq9T8t0w5520sPCATaBuHlShJSmcJ40YP13eOBNZKUcW34z8eJqUGxuo2oSnRALr+oIEWxP1c6SzyoiVX9JilEurbg/SY=; Message-ID: <390802.97077.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DavsrpYVM1mjrjAMSjq67uAYL6TU_z0q_uLK9C5BFlZr8ky Mn15W8FQec3WSyi6u7h1y7QEAEXyrAEeOsXWkJdoAeSR3dnhD7ofspgQzIAR 5lt0CbQWhrb7uM1Ii_QXCWthaQkgh_R4w_Xt5AnoJsjGUBgmhW9xOJniL_Rs T.HxOajYh..pqTCSJtse8soQtR5rr_qUWKMrKwl8XVPBDsoX7IPIlX11pGjN vh81l.TuiKLY1UW9.obVj.MkKP59phLiu2ZrL2NR7tVnqUfrmCdXtMnOswOt 2KoBfufxGXl6uGM1KZRvU6o8V9PxvU8.TCGT5PrwPqXXHytks7BkKu9MMXNu zFx6bZnor_qePj8vQRlvvQh8Bsqwtlg7xJxB1apdEHj7VuQqm4MkKF0n058o MsvG8t5aX54rvOxDbnzA4Vg-- Received: from [208.114.34.212] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:35:49 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:35:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540 To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2095678957-1308260149=:97077" --0-2095678957-1308260149=:97077 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill,=0A=C2=A0 Correct me if my memory fails me but your lite weight=C2=A0s= ide hsgs of steel =0Aas=C2=A0I=C2=A0recall=C2=A0?............=0A=0AKelly Tr= oyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC= 2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "wrjjrs@aol.com" =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASe= nt: Thu, June 16, 2011 11:50:19 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300= vs Lycoming IO-540=0A=0A=0AYes I truly hope so. We won't talk about it unt= il done and ready. Don't want to =0Afoul it up by blazing too soon. =0A=0AB= ill =0A=0AConnected by DROID on Verizon Wireless=0A=0A-----Original message= -----=0A=0AFrom: "Bobby J. Hughes" =0A>To: Rotary motors = in aircraft =0A>Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 16:47:= 01 GMT+00:00=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540= =0A>=0A>=0A>Just enough info to tease us! Is a lightweght 20B in my future?= =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Bobby=0A>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>From:Rotar= y motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of =0A>= wrjjrs@aol.com=0A>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 10:40 AM=0A>To: Rotary moto= rs in aircraft=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540= =0A>=C2=A0=0A>One engine ready to dyno, p-port for 20B in progress.=0A>Bill= J=0A>=0A>Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original m= essage-----=0A>From: " Bobby J. Hughes " < bhughes@qnsi.net >=0A>To: Rotary= motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 201= 1 13:18:09 GMT+00:00=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming = IO-540=0A>Bill,=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Any updates you can share about your developme= nt work?=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Bobby=0A>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>Fr= om:Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf= Of =0A>wrjjrs@aol.com=0A>Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:25 PM=0A>To: Rot= ary motors in aircraft=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycomin= g IO-540=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Bill,=0A>With respect to racing the Lyc guys are star= ting to put gearboxes on them to =0A>produce more power. Since the rotary s= tarts with a gearbox there should be more =0A>headroom there. Also since th= e rotary is already competitive weight wise it can =0A>only get better when= aluminum side housings are available.=0A>Bill Jepson =0A>=0A>Connected by = DROID on Verizon Wireless=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original message-----=0A>From: Bi= ll Bradburry =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 19:05:47 GMT+00:00= =0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540=0A>I think th= e baffles were mounted on that Lycoming engine.=0A>=0A>Bill B=0A>=0A>-----O= riginal Message-----=0A>From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@l= ancaironline.net] On=0A>Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.com=0A>Sent: Wednesday, June 1= 5, 2011 2:40 PM=0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re= : Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540=0A>=0A>Dwyane,=0A>Not true, as the Lyc r= equires a good baffle system to work well. No =0A>water required of course.= The Mistral is a bunch lighter even with heat =0A>exchangers and coolant.= =0A>Bill Jepson=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original Message-----=0A>From: Dwayne Parki= nson =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 11:28 am= =0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540=0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A>For what it's worth, the IO-540 pictured includes all of the "cooling = =0A>systems" so it's not quite a straight forward comparison, but pretty = =0A>nifty none the less.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>---------------------------= ---------------------------------=0A>From: Ed Anderson =0A>To: Rotary motor= s in aircraft =0A>Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:07 AM=0A>Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540=0A>=0A>=0A>Hey, we knew that Mark,= =C2=A0 I mean - how can you undertake a roll-your-own =0A>engine conversion= project without being an eternal optimist {:>)??=0A>=0A>But, I hope you ar= e right - they were so close.=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Ed=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>From: Mark= Steitle=0A>Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:28 AM=0A>To: Rotary motors in air= craft=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540=0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A>Being the eternal optimist, I believe that someone with a fat walle= t =0A>will come along and carry Mistral's torch across the finish line. =C2= =A0They =0A>were too close to give it all up for good.=0A>=0A>=0A>Mark S.= =0A>=0A>=0A>On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:22 PM, wrjjrs@aol.com wrote:=0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A>No Bill,=0A>The Mistral PSRU was a all new straight cut spur gear u= nit. =0A>Considerably tougher than the Slausen unit.=0A>Bill Jepson=0A>Conn= ected by DROID on Verizon Wireless=0A>=0A>=0A>-----Original message-----=0A= >=0A>=0A>From: Bill Bradburry =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>=0A>Sen= t: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 16:50:06 GMT+00:00=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral= G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>I was under the understand= ing that the Mistral engine had an SAE 2 prop =0A>hub.=C2=A0 The hubs are c= ertainly not the same on these two engines!!??=0A>=C2=A0=0A>The ratio is th= e same, but is the Mistral PSRU based on the same gear =0A>set as Tracy =E2= =80=99s PSRU?=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Bill B=0A>=0A>----------------------------------= --------------------------=0A>=0A>From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:f= lyrotary@lancaironline.net] On =0A>Behalf Of Kelly Troyer=0A>Sent: Saturday= , June 11, 2011 10:59 AM=0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft=0A>Subject: [FlyR= otary] Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540=0A>=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>Group,=0A>= =0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Interesting comparison of packaging between=C2=A0the= Mistral G-300 =0A>(Cosmo 20B, 3 Rotor to us) and the=0A>=0A>Lycoming IO-54= 0 engines...........=C2=A0=0A>=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=0A>=C2= =A0=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ E= ngine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONE= TICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>-= -=0A>Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>Archive and UnSub:=0A>http://ma= il.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>=0A>=0A>--=0A>Homepage= : http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline= .net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --0-2095678957-1308260149=:97077 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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  Correct me if my memory f= ails me but your lite weight side hsgs of steel as I recall&= nbsp;?............
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Kelly Troyer
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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Bac= kplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 11:50:19 AM
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Yes I truly hope so. We won't talk = about it until done and ready. Don't want to foul it up by blazing too soon= .
Bill

Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless


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Sent: Thu, Jun 16= , 2011 16:47:01 GMT+00:00
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 = vs Lycoming IO-540

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.comSent: Thursday, June 16, 2= 011 10:40 AM
To: Rotary = motors in aircraft
Subject:<= /B> [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540

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One engine ready to dyno, p-port for 20B in progress.
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From: " Bobby J. Hughes " < bhu= ghes@qnsi.net >
To: R= otary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2011 13:18:09 GMT+= 00:00
Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [m= ailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of wrjjrs@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:25 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs= Lycoming IO-540

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Bill,
With respect to ra= cing the Lyc guys are starting to put gearboxes on them to produce more pow= er. Since the rotary starts with a gearbox there should be more headroom th= ere. Also since the rotary is already competitive weight wise it can only g= et better when aluminum side housings are available.
Bill Jepson
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

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-----Original message-----

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From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bells= outh.net>
To: Rotary = motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 19:05:47 GMT+00:00
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540

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systems" so it's not quite a straight forward comparison, but pretty
nifty none the less.





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From: Ed Ander= son
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:07 = AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540


= Hey, we knew that Mark,  I mean - how can you undertake a roll-your-ow= n
engine conversion project without being an eternal optimist {:>)??=

But, I hope you are right - they were so close.
 
Ed
=



From: Mark Steitle
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:28 AMTo: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 v= s Lycoming IO-540



Being the eternal optimist, I believe that= someone with a fat wallet
will come along and carry Mistral's torch ac= ross the finish line.  They
were too close to give it all up for g= ood.


Mark S.


On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:22 PM, wrjjrs@aol.com wrote:



No Bill,
The Mistral PSRU was a al= l new straight cut spur gear unit.
Considerably tougher than the Slause= n unit.
Bill Jepson
Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless

-----Original message-----


From: Bill Bradburry
To: Rotary = motors in aircraft

Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2011 16:50:06 GMT+00:00
Su= bject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-540




=
I was under the understanding that the Mistral engine had an SAE 2 prop=
hub.  The hubs are certainly not the same on these two engines!!?= ?
 
The ratio is the same, but is the Mistral PSRU based on the = same gear
set as Tracy =E2=80=99s PSRU?
 
Bill B

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From: Rotar= y motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of = Kelly Troyer
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 10:59 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Mistral G-300 vs Lycoming IO-54= 0

 


Group,

    Interesting com= parison of packaging between the Mistral G-300
(Cosmo 20B, 3 Rotor= to us) and the

Lycoming IO-540 engines........... 

&nbs= p;

   
 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA J= D2" (Eventually)
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"= _Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo












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