Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #5529
From: Tracy Crook <lors01@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Torsionals
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:29:58 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Perry Mick
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 9:59 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Torsionals
 
 
 
Tracy Crook wrote:
Don't know if anyone has commented on this already Pete, but yes, the single rotor does have torque reversals. 
 
 Don't know how much of a problem this will be but the torque signature (IGNORE RPM FOR THIS COMPARISON, it doesn't matter)  will be the same as the three cylinder piston engine.  Raven had a challenging time developing a redrive for the Suzi/Geo 3 cyl. engine if that is any clue.
 
Tracy
If the two rotor is similar to a 4 cylinder 4 stroke piston engine, wouldn't a one rotor be similar to a 2 cylinder 4 stroke engine? Lamar has published the plots many times showing no torque reversals for a two rotor but very strong torque reversals for a one rotor.
--  Perry 

Ahh yes, the never ending debate on how to compare the rotary with a piston engine.  
 
The reason I said to ignore the rpm when comparing torque signatures was to compare ONLY the relative torque amplitude variation of the engines.  The two rotor engine looks just like a 6 cylinder in this respect.  Yes, I know the 2 rotor rotary only has two power strokes per rev but they are 50% longer (270 degrees vs 180) than those of a piston engine, thus, they overlap exactly like those of a 6 cyl.  This is relavant because tortional resonance has nothing to do with rpm that the system happens to be turning.
 
The torque variation represents the amount of excitation energy fed into the system.   The higher this energy, the more critical the damper is if the system has to spend any time at or near the resonant point.   In terms of this excitation energy, the one rotor probably has double or more  the amount that a 2 rotor has (all else being equal).  Notice that this excitation energy is not directly related to engine horsepower.
 
Somehow I doubt that I have made things any clearer.
 
Tracy
Yes it does make it clearer, thanks. I thought about that after I posted the last message (maybe I just reread your previous message!). It is clear that the PSRU will be under more "stress" with a one-rotor. Has anyone ever bolted your PSRU to a one-rotor? Do you even approve it for a one-rotor?
--  Perry

Never been tried.  It might work great or it might be a disaster.  Theoretically, this could be figured out on paper and predicted.  In the real world, it would be easier to test the actual parts (instrumented appropriately).

Tracy

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