X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com ([64.12.100.31] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5014019 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:06:29 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.100.31; envelope-from=Lehanover@aol.com Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p58I5jLN006332 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:05:45 -0400 Received: from Lehanover@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.1124.15f0f88 (43835) for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2011 14:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com [205.188.84.131]) by cia-dc02.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADC028-d4074defb9f33a1; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:05:43 -0400 Received: from webmail-d130 (webmail-d130.sim.aol.com [149.174.18.20]) by smtprly-dd03.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDD033-d4074defb9f33a1; Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:05:39 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] 20B Sighted (Was My latest full power run) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:05:39 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 173.88.24.45 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: lehanover@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CDF41DCF2CC800_11D8_C2A66_webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33790-STANDARD Received: from 173.88.24.45 by webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com (149.174.18.20) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Wed, 08 Jun 2011 14:05:39 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDF41DCF1C1E6E-11D8-5FB10@webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Lehanover@aol.com ----------MB_8CDF41DCF2CC800_11D8_C2A66_webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Lynn, Share with your fellow Rotor-heads.................What is the story ab= out the 20B=20 in your shop..............Nosy minds want to know !!................<:) =20 It is a kid I helped last year by moving the automatic trans mounts back= to work with a manual trans. No charge of course. Now he bought a 20B ove= r the internet and has that installed (I made him some mounts). Then his= job evaporated, and the city was going to tow his car for lack of tags.= He has no money, and no place to work on a car, so I told him to bring it= here and trade cleaning the shop and helping me once a month he can do hi= s stuff here no charge. So then he has no way of moving the car, so an old= friend who I build old restored car engines for, is called for a tow vehi= cle, he says sure. I get a tag for the only trailer I have left, and off= we go to Lancaster Ohio 28 miles away. And after 4 hours of filling flat= tires, and unsticking rusted rotors "Presto" his car is in my shop. It is= a piece of crap, and a waste of a 20B, but when we get done it will look= like a realy nice bone stock (2nd generation) white. I like white. This kids Dad died of a heart attack years ago, and like me= at his age he wants to do lots of stuf but has no money or skills. Perhap= s I see myself in him.=20 Am I easy or what? Lynn E. Hanover -----Original Message----- From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:49 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] 20B Sighted (Was My latest full power run) Lynn, Share with your fellow Rotor-heads.................What is the story ab= out the 20B=20 in your shop..............Nosy minds want to know !!................<:) =20 Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo From: "lehanover@aol.com" To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 8:42:37 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: My latest full power run The stock early relief valves were all set at 71.9 pounds. Those can be di= sassembled and a few washers installed under the spring to bring top press= ure up to whatever you want.=20 Racers like 75 to 100 pounds, the stock twin turbo FD is set at 115 pounds= .=20 =20 The .Weber jet mods to the oil spray nozzles in the crank are there to pre= clude a piece of broken spring from finding its way into the oil pump. Als= o to control how much oil gets sprayed into the rotors for cooling. Racing= Beat says a 200 main jet is about right. I use a 180 air corrector becaus= e I had a lot of them and it fits better. I also use 100 Pounds from a dry= sump pump and do not want too much oil going into the rotors to limit foa= ming. If you do this mod to a street engine, the idiot light will blink al= l of the time at idle. Too big a leak in the oiling system. Once you have= a few revs on hand the pressure comes up a bit and the light goes out. Th= e rotors foam the oil badly and that reduces oil pressure and heat transfe= r (from air in the oil) . So if you have this mod your idle pressure will= be below normal, and you peak pressure will be a few pounds light from oi= l temps and (bigger holes). =20 =20 Once at top RPM, the only limit on pressure should be the relief valve cra= cking pressure. You can check that with shop air pressure before assembly.= You can mod the early valves to get more pressure. You can use a heavier= weight oil. Racing oils have more anti scuff compounds and more anti foam= ing additives. You can limit oil temps. You can buy an 85 or 110 pound val= ve from Racing Beat, or make one yourself. Reinstall the valve with the dr= ain horizontal to help reduce foaming. That 68 pounds at full throttle an= d full temps is plenty, bearing wise, just not as reassuring as 85 pounds.= Be sure that there is a restrictor in the pressure line to the turbo. Th= e next time the pan is off, just mod the valve up to 80 PSI and settle for= 75 pounds at cruise. It won't make any difference, but You will feel bett= er, and we will feel better. =20 =20 Lynn E. Hanover=20 PS. There is a 3 rotor in a second gen body in my shop. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:52 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: My latest full power run I thought you were running a Renisis.=20 Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "Rino" wrote: I have the mods too and I get 90 psi at that rpm. =20 Rino ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:21 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: My latest full power run Keep in mind he has the thermal pellet mod AND the carb jets mod done to= the e-shaft.. That could be a factor in oil pressure, especially when war= m.=20 I like the other numbers though.. Dave On 6/6/2011 7:48 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=20 Chris, Curious if your oil pressure has been calibrated..............I persona= lly would like to see slightly more pressure at 6000+ rpm............Lynn jump in here and tell= me if I am off base about this............... =20 Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 7:34:15 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] My latest full power run See attached photo. I actually slid just over 32 map at bit over 6200 rpm= for a few seconds too with my IVO at the flattest pitch on this ground st= atic run. Just FYI.=20 Chris ----------MB_8CDF41DCF2CC800_11D8_C2A66_webmail-d130.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
Lynn,
   Share with your fellow Rotor-heads.................What= is the story about the 20B
in your shop..............Nosy minds want to know !!................&= lt;:)
 
It is a kid I helped last year by moving the automatic trans mounts= back to work with a manual trans. No charge of course. Now he bought a 20= B over the internet and has that installed (I made him some mounts).= Then his job evaporated, and the city was going to tow his car for lack= of tags. He has no money, and no place to work on a car, so I told him to= bring it here and trade cleaning the shop and helping me once a month he= can do his stuff here no charge. So then he has no way of moving the car,= so an old friend who I build old restored car engines for, is called for= a tow vehicle, he says sure. I get a tag for the only trailer I have left= , and off we go to Lancaster Ohio 28 miles away. And after 4 hours of fill= ing flat tires, and unsticking rusted rotors "Presto" his car is in my sho= p. It is a piece of crap, and a waste of a 20B, but when we get done it wi= ll look like a realy nice bone stock (2nd generation) white.
I like white. This kids Dad died of a heart attack years ago, and lik= e me at his age he wants to do lots of stuf but has no money or skills. Pe= rhaps I see myself in him.
 Am I easy or what?
 
Lynn E. Hanover


-----Original Message-----
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 11:49 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] 20B Sighted (Was My latest full power run)

Lynn,
   Share with your fellow Rotor-heads.................What= is the story about the 20B
in your shop..............Nosy minds want to know !!................&= lt;:)
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=
From: "lehanover@aol.com" <lehanover@aol.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircr= aft <flyrotary@lancairon= line.net>
Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 8:= 42:37 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:= My latest full power run

The stock early relief valves were all set at 71.9 pounds. Those can= be disassembled and a few washers installed under the spring to bring top= pressure up to whatever you want.
Racers like 75 to 100 pounds, the stock twin turbo FD is set at 115= pounds.
 
The .Weber jet mods to the oil spray nozzles in the crank are there= to preclude a piece of broken spring from finding its way into the oil pu= mp. Also to control how much oil gets sprayed into the rotors for cooling.= Racing Beat says a 200 main jet is about right. I use a 180 air corrector= because I had a lot of them and it fits better. I also use 100 Pounds fro= m a dry sump pump and do not want too much oil going into the rotors to li= mit foaming. If you do this mod to a street engine, the idiot light will= blink all of the time at idle. Too big a leak in the oiling system. Once= you have a few revs on hand the pressure comes up a bit and the light goe= s out. The rotors foam the oil badly and that reduces oil pressure and hea= t transfer (from air in the oil) . So if you have this mod your idle press= ure will be below normal, and you peak pressure will be a few pounds light= from oil temps and (bigger holes).  
 
Once at top RPM, the only limit on pressure should be the relief valv= e cracking pressure. You can check that with shop air pressure before asse= mbly. You can mod the early valves to get more pressure. You can use a hea= vier weight oil. Racing oils have more anti scuff compounds and more anti= foaming additives. You can limit oil temps. You can buy an 85 or 110 poun= d valve from Racing Beat, or make one yourself. Reinstall the valve with= the drain horizontal to help reduce foaming.  That 68 poun= ds at full throttle and full temps is plenty, bearing wise, just not as re= assuring as 85 pounds. Be sure that there is a restrictor in the pressure= line to the turbo.  The next time the pan is off, just mod the valve= up to 80 PSI and settle for 75 pounds at cruise. It won't make any differ= ence, but You will feel better, and we will feel better. 
 
Lynn E. Hanover 
PS. There is a 3 rotor in a second gen body in my shop.


cbarbe= r@texasattorney.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:52 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: My latest full power run

I thought you were running a Renisis. 

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Jun 7, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "Rino" <lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:

I have the mods too and I get 90 psi at= that rpm.
 
Rino
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:21= AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: My latest= full power run

Keep in mind he has the thermal pellet mod AND the carb jets mod done to= the e-shaft.. That could be a factor in oil pressure, especially when war= m.

I like the other numbers though..

Dave

On 6/6/2011 7:48 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=20
Chris,
   Curious if your oil pressure has been calibrated........= ......I personally would like to see
slightly more pressure at 6000+ rpm............Lynn jump in here and= tell me if I am off base
about this...............
 
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=
From: Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircr= aft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 7:= 34:15 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] My la= test full power run

See attached photo. I actually slid just over 32 map at bit over 6200 rpm= for a few seconds too with my IVO at the flattest pitch on this ground st= atic run. Just FYI.

Chris




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