X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.160] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with SMTP id 5013049 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 23:50:12 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.160; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.100] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 03:49:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.91] by tm5.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 03:49:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jun 2011 03:49:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 32118.57456.bm@omp1028.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 72677 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jun 2011 03:49:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1307504977; bh=d5SlQaOgmXkw4MI0ZNprGnY0vh/WBSjUwRQXxm/fUKc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e/mmObP0jHRgVH+R4AejfbntSMdueAF7HjVajxDlacdhreoCH3vPnBWdN89ZniIShMbquQopC2bMAqXYl+HUvS/JsbrBHrJDOvHMti5h4DIVA87PJ+ITfaz7DH2JEY5d778c8/xyH37m3kBV8lYTKiXBGazDEpoimylTtz3EcFQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=n7X2s0LuXlB61ROO7m8/5hhk8XRFoiSJhk/+vM1f1Aflx7+JTydp5YiBOziwTq7IoxO7TZB/W9krHjNxCgkRs0XhkeJ0BN25KHAAWQKgoFQHwXmoeNnKVajz6sjLzkmMV81kwskUa83ml0aTyeuNiVNl8tIdK2t3jRaRAS0mJqc=; Message-ID: <744974.67391.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: n6uunRAVM1nrraCACI50HzYEKJq_ypDdmPYuixD8ftLobcp EZ4xhXZFMwUki9jMEIVCvonm0QE0jAgtxAN7Fa4MK5psKAso6Sfr2uvU.udg YKFp5U1oXWtiXfUzcTNHxBKkXUbHBP97kCgsFl3fppu3UtmdlSaJCX20JO4t 1bhT8wEdr3QSdRrJUy2dfP7JyJomNzSglfSa_rRO9b8SBSweKTMl910r3Kcz wN1SS3Ja9AQBSqRtrI4jMETPfzu9eolo3z3NaVD5uiLa7cXLqdXFvI7q6dmP hA2Kz7DH.H8KvA8mePLFlOTmg9MxfcNN9TXUAstfonVfiYxBDDKK52ZL9PEd iLyyD6MdU3Kx9Zo3n Received: from [208.114.42.210] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 07 Jun 2011 20:49:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 20:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: 20B Sighted (Was My latest full power run) To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1079769732-1307504977=:67391" --0-1079769732-1307504977=:67391 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lynn,=0A=A0=A0 Share with your fellow Rotor-heads.................What is t= he story about =0Athe 20B =0A=0Ain your shop..............Nosy minds want t= o know !!................<:)=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Event= ually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oi= l Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________= ___________=0AFrom: "lehanover@aol.com" =0ATo: Rotary mo= tors in aircraft =0ASent: Tue, June 7, 2011 8:= 42:37 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: My latest full power run=0A=0AThe stock= early relief valves were all set at 71.9 pounds. Those can be =0Adisassemb= led and a few washers installed under the spring to bring top pressure =0Au= p to whatever you want. =0A=0ARacers like 75 to 100 pounds, the stock twin = turbo FD is set at 115 pounds. =0A=0AThe .Weber jet mods to the oil spray n= ozzles in the crank are there to preclude =0Aa piece of broken spring from = finding its way into the oil pump. Also to control =0Ahow much oil gets spr= ayed into the rotors for cooling. Racing Beat says a 200 =0Amain jet is abo= ut right. I use a 180 air corrector because I had a lot of them =0Aand it f= its better. I also use 100 Pounds from a dry sump pump and do not want =0At= oo much oil going into the rotors to limit foaming. If you do this mod to a= =0Astreet engine, the idiot light will blink all of the time at idle. Too = big a =0Aleak in the oiling system. Once you have a few revs on hand the pr= essure comes =0Aup a bit and the light goes out. The rotors foam the oil ba= dly and that reduces =0Aoil pressure and heat transfer (from air in the oil= ) . So if you have this mod =0Ayour idle pressure will be below normal, and= you peak pressure will be a few =0Apounds light from oil temps and (bigger= holes). =A0=0A=0AOnce at top RPM, the only limit on pressure should be the= relief valve cracking =0Apressure. You can check that with shop air pressu= re before assembly. You can mod =0Athe early valves to get more pressure. Y= ou can use a heavier weight oil. Racing =0Aoils have more anti scuff compou= nds and more anti foaming additives. You can =0Alimit oil temps. You can bu= y an 85 or 110 pound valve from Racing Beat, or make =0Aone yourself. Reins= tall the valve with the drain=A0horizontal=A0to help reduce =0Afoaming.=A0 = That 68 pounds at full throttle and full temps is plenty, bearing =0Awise, = just not as reassuring as 85 pounds. Be sure that there is a restrictor in = =0Athe pressure line to the turbo.=A0 The next time the pan is off, just mo= d the =0Avalve up to 80 PSI and settle for 75 pounds at cruise. It won't ma= ke any =0Adifference, but You will feel better, and we will feel better.=A0= =0A=0A=0ALynn E. Hanover=A0=0APS. There is a 3 rotor in a second gen body = in my shop.=0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Chris Barber =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:52 pm=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: My l= atest full power run=0A=0A=0AI thought you were running a Renisis.=A0=0A=0A= Sent from my iPhone 4=0A=0AOn Jun 7, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "Rino" wrote:=0A=0A=0AI have the mods too and I get 90 psi at that rpm.= =0A>=A0=0A>Rino=0A>----- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: Dave =0A>>To: Ro= tary motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:21 AM=0A>>Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: My latest full power run=0A>>=0A>>Keep in mind he has = the thermal pellet mod AND the carb jets mod done to the =0A>>e-shaft.. Tha= t could be a factor in oil pressure, especially when warm. =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>I= like the other numbers though..=0A>>=0A>>Dave=0A>>=0A>>On 6/6/2011 7:48 PM= , Kelly Troyer wrote: =0A>>Chris,=0A>>>=A0=A0 Curious if your oil pressure = has been calibrated..............I personally =0A>>>would like to see=0A>>>= slightly more pressure at 6000+ rpm............Lynn jump in here and tell m= e if =0A>>>I am off base=0A>>>about this...............=0A>>>=0A>>>Kelly Tr= oyer=0A>>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>>"RWS= "_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4= E50 Turbo=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A________________________________= =0AFrom: Chris Barber =0A>>>To: Rotary motors in= aircraft =0A>>>Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 7:34:1= 5 PM=0A>>>Subject: [FlyRotary] My latest full power run=0A>>>=0A>>>See atta= ched photo. I actually slid just over 32 map at bit over 6200 rpm for a =0A= >>>few seconds too with my IVO at the flattest pitch on this ground static = run. =0A>>>Just FYI. =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Chris=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A> --0-1079769732-1307504977=:67391 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Lynn,
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   Share with your fel= low Rotor-heads.................What is the story about the 20B
=0Ain your shop..............Nosy minds want to know !!................<= :)
 
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA = JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTAR= Y"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A=

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0A

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=0AFrom: "lehanover@aol.com" <lehanover@aol.com>
<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: Rotary motors in aircraft &= lt;flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
= Sent: Tue, June 7, 2011 8:42:37 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: My latest full power run
=
=0A
The stock earl= y relief valves were all set at 71.9 pounds. Those can be disassembled and = a few washers installed under the spring to bring top pressure up to whatev= er you want.
=0A
Racers like 75 to 100 pounds, the stock twin tur= bo FD is set at 115 pounds.
=0A
 
=0A
The .Weber je= t mods to the oil spray nozzles in the crank are there to preclude a piece = of broken spring from finding its way into the oil pump. Also to control ho= w much oil gets sprayed into the rotors for cooling. Racing Beat says a 200= main jet is about right. I use a 180 air corrector because I had a lot of = them and it fits better. I also use 100 Pounds from a dry sump pump and do = not want too much oil going into the rotors to limit foaming. If you do thi= s mod to a street engine, the idiot light will blink all of the time at idl= e. Too big a leak in the oiling system. Once you have a few revs on hand th= e pressure comes up a bit and the light goes out. The rotors foam the oil b= adly and that reduces oil pressure and heat transfer (from air in the oil) = . So if you have this mod your idle pressure will be below normal, and you = peak pressure will be a few pounds light from oil temps and (bigger holes).=  
=0A
 
=0A
Once at top RPM, the only limit on= pressure should be the relief valve cracking pressure. You can check that = with shop air pressure before assembly. You can mod the early valves to get= more pressure. You can use a heavier weight oil. Racing oils have more ant= i scuff compounds and more anti foaming additives. You can limit oil temps.= You can buy an 85 or 110 pound valve from Racing Beat, or make one yoursel= f. Reinstall the valve with the drain horizontal to help reduce f= oaming.  That 68 pounds at full throttle and full temps is plenty, bea= ring wise, just not as reassuring as 85 pounds. Be sure that there is a res= trictor in the pressure line to the turbo.  The next time the pan is o= ff, just mod the valve up to 80 PSI and settle for 75 pounds at cruise. It = won't make any difference, but You will feel better, and we will feel bette= r. 
=0A
 
=0A
Lynn E. Hanover 
PS. The= re is a 3 rotor in a second gen body in my shop.
=0A


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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Ba= rber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= ;flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 7, 2011 6:52 pm
Subje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: My latest full power run

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I thought you were running = a Renisis. 

Sent from my iPhone 4
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On Jun 7, 20= 11, at 5:40 PM, "Rino" <lacombr@nbnet.= nb.ca> wrote:

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I have the mods too and I get= 90 psi at that rpm.
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Rino
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----- Original Message -----
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From: Dave
=0A=0ASent: Tuesday, June 07, 2011 10:21 AM=0A
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: My la= test full power run
=0A

Keep in mind he has the thermal = pellet mod AND the carb jets mod done to the e-shaft.. That could be a fact= or in oil pressure, especially when warm.

I like the other numbers = though..

Dave

On 6/6/2011 7:48 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =0A=0A=0A=0A
=0A
Chris,
=0A
=    Curious if your oil pressure has been calibrated..............= I personally would like to see
=0A
slightly more pressure at 6000+= rpm............Lynn jump in here and tell me if I am off base
=0Aabout this...............
=0A
 
=0A
Kelly Troyer"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=
=0A
"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
=0A
"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A

=0A

=0A
=0A=0AFrom: Chris B= arber <cbarber@texasa= ttorney.net>
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, June 6, 2011 7:34:15 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] My latest full po= wer run

See attached photo. I actually slid just over 32 map at bit over 6200 rpm for a few seconds too = with my IVO at the flattest pitch on this ground static run. Just FYI.
=
Chris




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