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famous=0Afor.............The sharing of know= ledge to help each other over the hurdles of =0Aadapting the Rotarys=0Afor = aircraft use.............One reason I suggested the use of the complete =0A= Renesis front cover was to=0Aallow the use of the stock eccentric hub/trigg= er wheel/pulleys without the need =0Afor any spacers to=0Aalign the pump,al= ternator and=A0eccentric pulleys.................The Renesis =0Afront cover= is approx 1 inch=0Ashorter from gasket surface to front of the eccentric s= haft oil seal than the =0A13B/20B covers..........=0A=0A=A0 Mark did your R= enesis pump installation require any=A0pulley adjustments for =0Abelt align= ment and did =0A=0Ayou use a Renesis eccentric shaft pulley ??.............= ..=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine= =0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO= 4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Mark Stei= tle =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:42:40 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re:= water pump housing=0A=0A=0AKelly/Tom,=0A=0AYou are correct that the Renesi= s front cover can be made to fit on a 13B/20B, =0Abut the pan bolts are a d= ifferent pattern which will require modification to =0Ayour oil pan.=A0 Als= o, the 20B front counterweight is larger than the Renesis =0Acausing the=A0= cover=A0to interfere with the=A020B's front=A0counterweight.=A0 Material = =0Awill=A0need to be milled=A0out for the cover to fit, but in doing that, = you will end =0Aup cutting through the cover which will require=A0tig weldi= ng the holes.=A0 Finally, =0Athe RX-8 front cover is heavier than the 13B/2= 0B front cover with Renesis water =0Apump.=A0 Personally, I don't see an ad= vantage to using the Renesis front cover.=A0=A0=A0 =0A=0A=0AMark S.=0A(Been= there, done that.)=0A=0AOn Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A=0ATom,=0A>=0A>=A0=A0=A0 One additional thing comes t= o my mind...........I do not have a RX8 Renesis =0A>front side=0A>housing (= cast iron) but from all of my research of photos I am fairly confident =0A>= that the=0A>RX8 front housing (aluminum) will bolt directly to=A0the 93-95= =A013BREW and Cosmo =0A>13B=0A>and 20B with some minor=A0mods (to possibly = clear bolt heads on the 20B front side =0A>hsg)=0A>and the drilling and thr= eading of=A01 to=A03 existing bosses for 8 mm x 1.25 studs =0A>or bolts..= =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTAR= Y"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TU= RBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A_____________________________= ___=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0A>=0A>To: Rotary motors in airc= raft =0A>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:32:44 AM = =0A>=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Tom,=0A>= =A0=A0 Source for pump with=A0improved impeller...........They also have=A0= used=A0pump and =0A>eccentric shaft pulleys......=0A>"Mazmart" is located i= n Atlanta, GA............=A0=0A>=0A>=A0http://www.mazmart.com/PartsList.asp= x?id=3D27&n=3DNEW&m=3D6=0A>=0A>=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE= DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"= MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tom Giddings =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:17:50 AM=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water= pump housing=0A>=0A>=0A>Thanks Again!!=0A>=0A>Kind Regards =0A>Tom Gidding= s=0A>VP Avionics Sales=0A>Midwest Avionics=0A>200 Hardy Roberts Drive=0A>Pa= ducah, KY 42086-0219=0A>877-904-9966=0A>tom@midwestavionics.net=0A>Online S= tore=A0=0A>www.midwest-avionics.com=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On May 4, 2011, at 11:08= AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Tom,=0A>>=A0=A0=A0 Try= these two RX8 recyclers............=0A>>=0A>>ss427bb@hotmail.com=A0 Brian = Galloway in Calif..........Used by Greg Ward =0A>>(Turbo/20B)=0A>>=A0=0A>>m= rmazda@sbcglobal.net=A0 Curtis James in Texas............Used by CozyGirrls= , Mark =0A>>(I believe) & myself=0A>>=A0=0A>>=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DE= LTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"= MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A= >>=0A>>=0A>>=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Thomas Giddings =0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:53 AM=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] = Re: water pump housing=0A>>=0A>>Mark: Thanks again....I must be getting old= .. I remember now that you did tell =0A>>me that in one of our phone conver= sations...just now sinking in...as matter of =0A>>fact i just found the pho= to's you sent of your pump housing and engine set -up. =0A>>Kelly...you are= a very helpful resource as well..I will try to find this =A0after =0A>>mar= ket pump. The question is does anyone have a RX8 water pump housing they = =0A>>would sell?=A0 =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Tom=A0Giddings=0A>>VP Avionics Sale= s=0A>>MIDWEST AVIONICS=0A>>200 Hardy Roberts Dr=0A>>PO Box 219=0A>>West Pad= ucah,KY 42086=0A>>877-904 9966=0A>>Cell; 727 858-1772=0A>>FAX:270 744 3466= =0A>>tom@midwestaviation.net=0A>>Online Store=0A>>www.midwest-avionics.com= =0A>>=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>On May 4, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Mark Steitle wrot= e:=0A>>=0A>>Tom, =0A>>>=0A>>>I'm running a modified Renesis water pump hous= ing.=A0 As you know, the 20B WP =0A>>>housing is very tall with the thermos= tat section protruding up above the =0A>>>engine.=A0 The Renesis WP housing= uses a side=A0intake/discharge but=A0is integrated =0A>>>with the front co= ver.=A0=A0The WP section=A0must be cut away from the remainder of the =0A>>= >Renesis front cover to be used on a non-Renesis application.=A0 =0A>>>=0A>= >>=0A>>>The Renesis WP cartridge is much lighter than the cast iron 20B car= tridge, but =0A>>>the impellor is very cheaply made.=A0 In the stock config= uration, it may not pump =0A>>>enough coolant to cool a 3-rotor.=A0 I went = with an aftermarket WP cartridge which =0A>>>has a SS impellor similar to t= hat of the 20B.=A0 I'll have to look for the info on =0A>>>that.=A0 Pump wa= s a bit pricey=A0at $265.=0A>>>=0A>>>You may also need a custom WP pulley t= o run a Renesis pump on a non-renesis =0A>>>engine. =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Mark= =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=A0=0A>>>On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Giddings= =0A>>>wrote:=0A>>>=0A>>>Can anyone tell me which= water pump housing will lower the overall height of the =0A>>>housing on t= he stock 20B. I need to keep =A0it the height of block if possible. I =0A>>= >have seen some photos of one that would work.It was on a two rotor engine.= =0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Tom Giddings=0A>>>>VP Avionics Sales=0A>>>>MIDWEST AVI= ONICS=0A>>>>200 Hardy Roberts Dr=0A>>>>PO Box 219=0A>>>>West Paducah,KY 420= 86=0A>>>>877-904 9966=0A>>>>Cell; 727 858-1772=0A>>>>FAX:270 744 3466=0A>>>= >tom@midwestaviation.net=0A>>>>Online Store=0A>>>>www.midwest-avionics.com= =0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>--=0A>>>>Homepage: =A0http://www.= flyrotary.com/=0A>>>>Archive and UnSub: =A0 =0A>>http://mail.lancaironline.= net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>>>>=0A>>>>=0A>>><20B_WP_Picture 002 sma= ll.JPG>--=0A>>>Homepage: =A0http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>>>Archive and UnSu= b: =0A>=A0=A0http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>= >>=0A>>=0A --0-1899309492-1304532047=:73750 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A
Mark,
=0A
 
=0A
  = Thanks for the "Real World Info"................I was fairly confiden= t the Renesis front cover could be
=0A
bolted to the 13BREW and Co= smo 13B/20B but I was not aware of the counterweight interference
=0A<= DIV>on the 20B not having seen inside one...............This is the ki= nd of information this group is famous
=0A
for.............The sha= ring of knowledge to help each other over the hurdles of adapting the Rotar= ys
=0A
for aircraft use.............One reason I suggested the use= of the complete Renesis front cover was to
=0A
allow the use of t= he stock eccentric hub/trigger wheel/pulleys without the need for any space= rs to
=0A
align the pump,alternator and eccentric pulleys....= .............The Renesis front cover is approx 1 inch
=0A
shorter = from gasket surface to front of the eccentric shaft oil seal than the 13B/2= 0B covers..........
=0A
 
=0A
  Mark did your R= enesis pump installation require any pulley adjustments for belt align= ment and did
=0A
you use a Renesis eccentric shaft pulley ??.....= ..........
=0A
 
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/O= il Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A
= =0A
=0A
=0AFrom: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com= >
To: Rotary motors i= n aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:42:40 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housi= ng

=0A
Kelly/Tom,
=0A
 
=0A
You ar= e correct that the Renesis front cover can be made to fit on a 13B/20B, but= the pan bolts are a different pattern which will require modification to y= our oil pan.  Also, the 20B front counterweight is larger than the Ren= esis causing the cover to interfere with the 20B's front&nbs= p;counterweight.  Material will need to be milled out for th= e cover to fit, but in doing that, you will end up cutting through the cove= r which will require tig welding the holes.  Finally, the RX-8 fr= ont cover is heavier than the 13B/20B front cover with Renesis water pump.&= nbsp; Personally, I don't see an advantage to using the Renesis front cover= .   
=0A
Mark S.
(Been there, done that.)=0A
 
=0A
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at = 11:11 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@a= tt.net> wrote:
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
Tom,
=0A
 
=0A
&nbs= p;   One additional thing comes to my mind...........I do not hav= e a RX8 Renesis front side
=0A
housing (cast iron) but from all of= my research of photos I am fairly confident that the
=0A
RX8 fron= t housing (aluminum) will bolt directly to the 93-95 13BREW and C= osmo 13B
=0A
and 20B with some minor mods (to possibly clear = bolt heads on the 20B front side hsg)
=0A
and the drilling and thr= eading of 1 to 3 existing bosses for 8 mm x 1.25 studs or bolts..=
=0A
=0A
 
=0A
 
=0A

Kell= y Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (= Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2= /EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turb= o

=0A

=0A

=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: = Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> =0A

To: Rotary moto= rs in aircraft <flyrot= ary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:32:44 AM =0A
=0A
=0A
Subject: [= FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
=0A
=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
Tom,
=0A
 = ;  Source for pump with improved impeller...........They also hav= e used pump and eccentric shaft pulleys......
=0A
"Mazma= rt" is located in Atlanta, GA............ 
=0A
 http= ://www.mazmart.com/PartsList.aspx?id=3D27&n=3DNEW&m=3D6
=0A 
=0A
 
=0A
 
= =0A
=0A
 
=0A
=0A
 
=0A
 
=0A

Kelly Troyer=
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventual= ly)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
= "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A=

=0A

=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: Tom Giddings = <tom@midwestaviation.net&g= t;
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:17:50 AM
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing

=0AThanks Again!!

Kind Regards =0A
=0A
Tom Giddings
=0A<= DIV>VP Avionics Sales
=0A
Midwest Avionics
=0A
200 Hardy = Roberts Drive
=0A
Paducah, KY 42086-0219
=0A=0A=0A
Online Store 
=0Awww.midwest-avionics.com
=0A

=0A
<= BR>On May 4, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Kelly Troyer <ke= ltro@att.net> wrote:

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
Tom,
=0A
  &nb= sp; Try these two RX8 recyclers............
=0A
 
=0Ass427= bb@hotmail.com  Brian Galloway in Calif..........Used by Gr= eg Ward (Turbo/20B)
=0A
 =0A
<= FONT color=3D#0081c2>mrmazda@sbcglobal.net  Curtis James in= Texas............Used by CozyGirrls, Mark (I believe) & myself<= /SPAN>
=0A
 <= /DIV>=0A
 
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE= DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13= B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A

=0A
From: Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
= Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:53= AM
Subject: [FlyRotary]= Re: water pump housing

Mark: Thanks again....I must be getti= ng old.. I remember now that you did tell me that in one of our phone conve= rsations...just now sinking in...as matter of fact i just found the photo's= you sent of your pump housing and engine set -up. Kelly...you are a very h= elpful resource as well..I will try to find this  after market pump. The question is does anyone have a RX8 water pump housing they would= sell?  =0A

=0A
= =0A
=0A
=0A
Tom Giddings
VP Avionics Sales
=0A
MIDWEST AVIONICS
200 Hardy Roberts Dr
PO Box 219=
West Paducah,KY 42086
877-904 9966
Cell; 727 858-1772
FAX:270 744 3466<= BR>tom@midwestaviation.net
=0A<= /SPAN>

<Midwest&= gt;

=0A
=0A
On May 4, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Mark Steit= le wrote:

=0A
=0A
Tom,
=0A
=  
=0A
I'm running a modified Renesis water pump housing. = ; As you know, the 20B WP housing is very tall with the thermostat section = protruding up above the engine.  The Renesis WP housing uses a side&nb= sp;intake/discharge but is integrated with the front cover.  = ;The WP section must be cut away from the remainder of the Renesis fro= nt cover to be used on a non-Renesis application. 
=0A
 = ;
=0A
The Renesis WP cartridge is much lighter than the cast iron = 20B cartridge, but the impellor is very cheaply made.  In the stock co= nfiguration, it may not pump enough coolant to cool a 3-rotor.  I went= with an aftermarket WP cartridge which has a SS impellor similar to that o= f the 20B.  I'll have to look for the info on that.  Pump was a b= it pricey at $265.
=0A
 
=0A
You may also need = a custom WP pulley to run a Renesis pump on a non-renesis engine.
=0A=
 
=0A
Mark
=0A

 
=0A
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net> wrote:
= =0A
Can anyone tell me which water = pump housing will lower the overall height of the housing on the stock 20B.= I need to keep  it the height of block if possible. I have seen some = photos of one that would work.It was on a two rotor engine.


Tom GiddingsVP Avionics Sales
MIDWEST AVIONICS
200 Hardy Roberts Dr
PO Box 21= 9
West Paducah,KY 42086
877-904 9966
Cell; <= A rel=3Dnofollow>727 858-1772
FAX:270 744 3466=
tom@midwestaviation.net
Online Store
<= A href=3D"http://www.midwest-avionics.com/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>= www.midwest-avionics.com





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