Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #54797
From: Bill Schertz <wschertz@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Intakes old and new
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:04:05 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ed,
Could you supply the name/part# for the resin and silicon product you used? Also dimensions of the various tubes/lengths, diameters, etc. I am not getting the power I want from my intake system.
 
Bill Schertz
KIS Cruiser #4045
N343BS
Phase one testing Completed
 
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 10:09 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intakes old and new
 
No, Bill, they do not have bell mounths,  because the primary and secondary runners are essentially one piece (like an upside down "U") inside the plastic housing.
 
Here are a couple of photos of the process.  Basically, I cut a half-moon shape out of a piece of 3 " high density foam.  I then close up the sides with other pieces of foam including cutting out any thing needed like the flat portion of the front for mounting the Throttle body.  I then form two silicon cores by  pouring the silicon core two part liquid mix into some "U" shaped aluminum tubing of the right size.  I extract the silicon cores from their tubes and suspend them upside down in the 3" void, mix up a two part polyurethane casting resin - pour it in and wait 15 minutes.  Then remove the plastic casting which has the tunnels and openings for the four aluminum runners which get inserted through a 3/8" aluminum plate into the plastic casting.  This plate is held to the plastic (or vice versa) through bolts through the plate into inserts placed in the plastic (I place the inserts after the casting by drilling holes and pressing them in - the right kind or citical). 
 
I use a hole saw to cut through the front of the casting the dia of my 65 mm throttle body until I just interesect the tunnels cast into the plastic.  Then I hand sand/die grind the intersection of the TB hole with the runner tunnels to a smooth interface between the two.  Drill holes and place inserts for the throttle body and your are done.
 
It takes me an hour or so now to make a mold, cast the resin.  About another couple of hours to cut the 3/8' plate drill the holes for the tubes and mounting bolts, etc.  Then you have to braze the aluminum tubes to the plate and that's it for the top half of the manifold.  The bottom half  (I use telescoping tubes for ease of construction and tuning) has slightly smaller tubes to fit up into the tubes brazed to the 3/8" mounting plate.
 
I cut off the heavy cast aluminum runners from an 88 or earlier N/A lower manifold, mill out the holds to the dia of the lower tubes and then assembly the top and bottom structure before brazing in the tubes to the aluminum casting of the lower manifold.
 
When you get it all done you have the assembly I showed in the previous e mail photograph
 
Hope that helps explain it a bit
 
 
Ed
 
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 10:44 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intakes old and new
 

Ed,

Do the intake runners have bell mouths at the top inside the plastic plenum?   If so, how did you construct them?

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:49 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Intakes old and new

 

Here is the induction system set up I first flew with Phtos MVC-007F JPG).  4 injectors into a TWM dual throat Webber Throttle body (2" dia throats) into a two into four manifold.  The engine started easily and operated fine - with the exception it was low on power.  Top speed was 185 MPH TAS. 

 

The apparently problem was that while this set up did well for the rotary racing crowd when theirengines hit 9000 rpm - it sucked (but not very well) at the lower rpms like 5000.  So I swap it out for my current design using an 65mm dia mustang throttle body and smaller diameter runners and immedately picked up 10 MPH top airspeed and 400 ft/min improvement in Rate of climb.

 

It was the beginning of my understanding that what works well for one environment and set of operating conditions may provide lousy results under different circumstances.  The other two photos show the intake that produced the best results for my installation and which has now been on the aircraft for over 6 years, top speed achieved with this intake was 196 MPH TAS with the old 2.17:1 and 68x72 prop.  Same intake with the 2:85:1 and 74x88 prop topped out at 200 MPH TAS.

 

Ed

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com


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