Kelly Troyer wrote:
"I just remembered one other tidbit of info from our rotary guru Lynn.........One of
his informative posts on fuel and the effects of octane ratings stated that as you lean
the auto fuel that many of us use (87 to 91 octane) that the flame front is slowed and
this mimics the effect of lead in fuel"
William wrote:
Generally, leaner mixture increases the risk of detonation, regardless of octane or presence of lead. On a naturally aspirated rotary it doesn't usually matter much.
I find this page to be an excellent reference for the effects of octane:
http://www.turborx7.com/fuel.htm
Kelly Troyer write :
"One other point that I forgot to mention was ignition timing..........It is my understanding
that turboed engines should not use excessive timing advance and that the higher the
boost the less timing advance is needed (or wise).........As I recall ignition timing as high
as 27 + degrees BTDC has/is used for naturally aspirated Rotarys"
William wrote:
I think the confusion here is between talking about the timing at idle and the timing at high RPM. When you set the timing you are usually setting the idle timing, then the ECU adds a certain amount of advance based on the RPM, temperature, whatever. 10 degrees is probably the idle setting, not the maximum advance, whereas the 27+ is probably the maximum advance (maximum advance in my car is about 35).
What is the effect of changing the air-fuel ratio?
Traditionally, the greatest tendency to knock was near 13.5:1 air-fuel ratio, but was very engine specific. Modern engines, with engine management systems, now have their maximum octane requirement near to 14.5:1. For a given engine using gasoline, the relationship between thermal efficiency, air-fuel ratio, and power is complex. Stoichiometric combustion (air-fuel
ratio = 14.7:1 for a typical non-oxygenated gasoline) is neither maximum power - which occurs around air-fuel 12-13:1 (Rich), nor maximum thermal efficiency - which occurs around air-fuel 16-18:1 (Lean). The air-fuel ratio is controlled at part throttle by a closed loop system using the oxygen sensor in the exhaust. Conventionally, enrichment for maximum power air-fuel ratio is used during full throttle operation to reduce knocking while providing better
drivability [38]. An average increase of 2 (R+M)/2 ON is required for each 1.0 increase (leaning) of the air-fuel ratio [111]. If the mixture is weakened, the flame speed is reduced, consequently less heat is converted to mechanical energy, leaving heat in the cylinder walls and head, potentially inducing knock. It is possible to weaken the mixture sufficiently that the flame is still present when the inlet valve opens again, resulting in backfiring.
What is the effect of changing the ignition timing?
The tendency to knock increases as spark advance is increased. For an engine with recommended 6 degrees BTDC (Before Top Dead Center) timing and 93 octane fuel, retarding the spark 4 degrees lowers the octane requirement to 91, whereas advancing it 8 degrees requires 96 octane fuel [27]. It should be noted this requirement depends on engine design. If you advance the spark, the flame front starts earlier, and the end gases start forming earlier in the cycle, providing more time for the autoigniting species to form before the piston reaches the optimum position for power delivery, as determined by the normal flame front propagation. It becomes a race between the flame front and decomposition of the increasingly squashed end gases. High octane fuels produce end gases that take longer to autoignite, so the good flame front
reaches and consumes them properly.
The ignition advance map is partly determined by the fuel the engine is intended to use. The timing of the spark is advanced sufficiently to ensure that the fuel-air mixture burns in such a way that maximum pressure of the burning charge is about 15-20 degree after TDC. Knock will occur before this point, usually in the late compression - early power stroke period.
The engine management system uses ignition timing as one of the major variables that is adjusted if knock is detected. If very low octane fuels are used (several octane numbers below the vehicle's requirement at optimal settings), both performance and fuel economy will decrease.
The actual Octane Number Requirement depends on the engine design, but for some 1978 vehicles using standard fuels, the following (R+M)/2 Octane Requirements were measured. "Standard" is the recommended ignition timing for the engine, probably a few degrees BTDC
[38].
Basic Ignition Timing
Vehicle Retarded 5 degrees Standard Advanced 5 degrees
A 88 91 93
B 86 90.5 94.5
C 85.5 88 90
D 84 87.5 91
E 82.5 87 90
The actual ignition timing to achieve the maximum pressure from normal combustion of gasoline will depend mainly on the speed of the engine and the flame propagation rates in the engine. Knock increases the rate of the pressure rise, thus superimposing additional pressure on the normal combustion pressure rise. The knock actually rapidly resonates around the chamber, creating a series of abnormal sharp spikes on the pressure diagram. The normal flame speed is fairly consistent for most gasoline HCs, regardless of octane rating, but the flame speed is affected by stoichiometry. Note that the flame speeds in this FAQ are not the actual engine flame speeds. A 12:1 CR gasoline engine at 1500 rpm would have a flame speed of about 16.5 m/s, and a similar hydrogen engine yields 48.3
m/s, but such engine flame speeds are also very dependent on stoichiometry.
Lynn,
From your previous posts on this subject it seems that the Rotary does not react in the exact same way as a typical
piston engine to leaning and or timing changes...................William has used as reference a very detailed piece from
that I mentioned from memory so I may not have related it accurately...........Would appreciate your additional thoughts
about this and any corrections if I misspoke.........(Tracy posted recently that his EC2-3 does retard ignition timing as
boost increases < up to12 degrees>)................
Thanks,
Kelly Troyer
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