X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with ESMTP id 4892308 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 18:57:26 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.48; envelope-from=jayjacobs@comcast.net Received: from omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by qmta05.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id FbsT1g0040SCNGk55bwtPb; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 23:56:53 +0000 Received: from JayLaptop ([24.98.222.118]) by omta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Fbwp1g0172ZsoDC3VbwrX2; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 23:56:52 +0000 From: "Jay" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Numbers? Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:56:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005D_01CBDB67.15D66E40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcvbjWfjHELpVx0cTZaSTuKf85StcQAA1jqQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CBDB67.15D66E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No intention of racing but I have a turbocharged 20B on a test stand I plan to boost to 450 HP at 6500 RPM. I haven't gotten it started yet, though I should be any time now. Jay _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 6:30 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Numbers? Thomas, One of the first things I would do is make sure the powers that be in the Sport Class will not restrict you to a traditional piston engine (like certain auto groups did when the early rotarys were beating their B#%%'s) or penalize you with extra weight, etc............Then the next problem in my mind will be finding a prop reduction unit that will stand up that much power...........Tracy Crook will be the first to tell you that his RD1X units were never designed for that much power..........IMHO Very Interesting and Ambitious Project Though !...........I am sure the Rotary Group will follow and pull for you and offer all the help they can............ Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo _____ From: Tom Giddings To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 3:59:57 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Numbers? I am newby... I am building a Questair Venture. I am installing a 20B. I want to Turbo it. My goal is 500 HP,I want to race it at Reno at some point in the Sport Class. Anyone out there doing or has done anything similar. Would appreciate any help or advise about your setup etc. My airframe is close to needing some power. Kind Regards Tom Giddings VP Avionics Sales Midwest Avionics 200 Hardy Roberts Drive Paducah, KY 42086-0219 877-904-9966 tom@midwestavionics.net Online Store www.midwest-avionics.com On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, "Thomas Mann" wrote: I have C438 . We must be okay! From: Marc Wiese Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:22 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Numbers? 20B MAZDA in black outline paint; C927 on all three rotor housings.. Marc From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Giddings Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:57 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Numbers? Here you go everyone: The engine should be stamped on all the rotor housings and sideplates. Look on the top of the rotor housings where is says "Mazda 20B" Pre A code: 3 digit numbers only, no letter A code : Letter A and 3 digit # B code : Letter B and 3 digit # All of the above are small dowel pin land motors C code: letter C and 3 digit # D code : letter D and 3 digit # The C and D code have the upgraded sideplates, thicker dowel pin lands. Approx: 4mm thicker On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: Thomas, Share some of your new found info on the 20B with the group............ Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo _____ From: Thomas Giddings < tom@midwestaviation.net> To: Rotary motors in aircraft < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 5:23:15 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Numbers? Thanks Kelley....Your right...Brian knows his stuff...I have a very early 20B Tom On Mar 3, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: Thomas, Try Brian Galloway in Calif.........He deals in Mazda parts and is very knowledgeable in the 20B models and the differences between them.........Improvements were made in the year models............For our use in aircraft the upgrades probably are not as important as we are not severely stressing our engines like the racers (Auto) do.........I do know that the later model 20B's sell at a premium...........The last time I corresponded with him he had both early and late 20B's for sale............I bought a 20B auto trans bell housing from him (My 13B "Cosmo" uses it between Tracy's RD1C and engine like "Bulent" of this group .....See photo) attached)..........FWIW Brian Galloway < ss427bb@hotmail.com> Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo _____ From: Thomas Giddings < tom@midwestaviation.net> To: Rotary motors in aircraft < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 9:02:41 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Numbers? On a similar topic...does anyone know how to identify which year 20B I have? I was told ,but have no real way of knowing . On Mar 3, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: Pat, If your core engine still has the waterpump on it count the number of bolts on the pump........86-88 13B has 7 WP bolts...........89-91 has 8 WP bolts..... 93-95 13B has an all aluminum WP.......This is quick and dirty but there are other ways if WP is missing...........The 86-91 WP is cast iron bolted to alum housing......... Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo _____ From: Pat Panzera < editor.contactmagazine@gmail.com> To: Rotary motors in aircraft < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 7:37:54 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Numbers? Hey gang, I have a core engine I need to identify. Are there any numbers on the web I can look up? Thanks! Pat -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_005D_01CBDB67.15D66E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No intention of racing but I have a turbocharged 20B on a test stand I plan to boost to 450 HP at 6500 RPM. = I haven’t gotten it started yet, though I should be any time = now.

Jay

 

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Saturday, March 05, = 2011 6:30 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = 20B Numbers?

 

Thomas,

     One of the first things = I would do is make sure the powers that be in the = Sport

Class will not restrict you to a traditional piston = engine (like certain auto groups did

when the early rotarys were beating their B#%%'s) or penalize you with extra weight,

etc............Then the next problem in my mind will = be finding a prop reduction unit

that will stand up that much power...........Tracy = Crook will be the first to tell you that

his RD1X units were never designed for that much power..........IMHO

 

Very Interesting and Ambitious Project Though = !...........I am sure the Rotary Group

will follow and pull for you and offer all the = help they can............  
 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA = JD2" = (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E= 50 Turbo

 

 

From: Tom Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 = 3:59:57 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = 20B Numbers?

I  am newby... I am building a Questair Venture. I am = installing a 20B. I want to Turbo it. My goal is 500 HP,I want to race it at = Reno at some = point in the Sport Class. Anyone out there doing or has done anything similar. Would appreciate any help or advise about your setup etc. My airframe is close = to needing some power.

Kind Regards

Tom Giddings

VP Avionics Sales

Midwest = Avionics

200 Hardy Roberts = Drive

Paducah, KY 42086-0219

877-904-9966

Online Store 

 


On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, "Thomas Mann" <tmann@n200lz.com> wrote:

I have C438 = .

We must be = okay!

 

From: Marc Wiese =

Sent: Saturday, = March 05, 2011 2:22 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Numbers?

 

20B MAZDA in black outline paint; C927 on all three = rotor housings….

Marc

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Thomas Giddings
Sent: Thursday, March 03, = 2011 7:57 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Numbers?

 

Here you go everyone: The engine should be stamped on all = the rotor housings and sideplates. Look on the top of the rotor housings = where is says "Mazda 20B"


Pre A code: 3 digit  numbers only, no letter
A code : Letter A and 3 digit #
B code : Letter B and 3 digit #
All of the above are small dowel pin land motors

C code: letter C and 3 digit #
D code : letter D and 3 digit #

The C and D code have the upgraded sideplates, thicker dowel pin lands. = Approx: 4mm thicker

On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Kelly Troyer = wrote:

 

Thomas,

     Share some of your new found info = on the 20B with the group............
 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE = DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 = Turbo

 

 

From: Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>= ;
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 = 5:23:15 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Numbers?

Thanks Kelley....Your right...Brian knows his stuff...I have a very = early 20B

 

Tom

On Mar 3, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Kelly Troyer = wrote:

 

Thomas,

     Try Brian Galloway in Calif.........He deals in Mazda = parts and is very knowledgeable in

the 20B models and the differences between them.........Improvements were made in the

year models............For our use in aircraft the upgrades probably are not as important as

we are not severely stressing our engines like the racers = (Auto) do.........I do know that the

later model 20B's sell at a premium...........The last time = I corresponded with him he had

both early and late 20B's for sale............I bought a = 20B auto trans bell housing from him

(My 13B "Cosmo" uses it between Tracy's RD1C and engine like "Bulent" of this group

.....See photo) attached)..........FWIW

 

Brian Galloway <ss427bb@hotmail.com>=

 


 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE = DELTA JD2" <= font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>(Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 = Turbo

 

 

From: Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>= ;
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 9:02:41 = AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Numbers?

On a similar topic...does anyone know how to identify which year 20B I = have? I was told ,but have no real way of knowing .

On Mar 3, 2011, at 9:37 AM, Kelly Troyer = wrote:

 

Pat,

     If your core engine still has the waterpump on it count the number of bolts

on the pump........86-88 13B has 7 WP bolts...........89-91 = has 8 WP bolts.....

 

    93-95 13B has an all aluminum = WP.......This is quick and dirty but there are

other ways if WP is missing...........The 86-91 WP is cast = iron bolted to alum

housing.........

 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE = DELTA JD2" <= font size=3D1 color=3Dblack face=3DArial>(Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 = Turbo

 

 

From: Pat Panzera <editor.contactmagazin= e@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>
Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 7:37:54 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Numbers?

Hey gang,

I have a core engine I need to identify.
Are there any numbers on the web I can look up?

Thanks!

Pat

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