X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.141] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with SMTP id 4892213 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 18:31:01 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.141; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2011 23:30:27 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.66] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2011 23:30:27 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2011 23:30:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 471696.68381.bm@omp1003.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 6655 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Mar 2011 23:30:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1299367827; bh=kA/hH2IiMlPldhQUwacPywUDQLXxYnkZZzSyCBwh23I=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eU//s3KyaHz8eAEAMEOdGCPcY0X8AYWSEqHxG6BKex8LcvJZfdSYE/tPiojM3KrKXHjKf+I4WrbJ5UpE9xJ40hMn7hENkINuV9NVExJXSvSqTSWYw4F8L3b3qoGQeM1OjYjkFtGgMlb2EXxtstP4J4ckJRfZWeOOKSAoYLOjYWI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BVkdqQOcBeE4tw9OwH4HQlsFfnxhrd2erCkEdljS9/HlJ8alEgFVFBYGrIppXWPuuebus1JyLpeceNWGlof5eEFBn7QVJVBSabXiu9fRq6/35+VjRW+xirD1W/KbF1nzvXigcYvol34RBP/fQY/VDn6MmMFvLYE7H0TBjYMf1xw=; Message-ID: <314657.3060.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: n.n1BFYVM1l2KcZcf7k.Iv_vKTbHXrPRGJkcwRGzxSQ.ili g9bXLmz8OGkV6fcs7X.26XxmPIrUw84nzyZFk5xctmWZIPyV5i7NHv1QUZR. donRjiXh874GpPdtfIRjOPKFd30GtYs54p1LMIgWQKwuOTgwLdWbfFMiEOEX LPSUJEmQzsRCFS.GIdzDYQ1scYKQk5cgeWd_oTDkkmxqGHElCRFF1OSi_Aiy lQUp9Xq2TxTMjZTtw7WolK4VuMfgzfUUjoN1U4g.a1ZJjiydxgwaSGLVoeQ7 dGJRWBehw1TIe Received: from [208.114.47.246] by web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 05 Mar 2011 15:30:27 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 References: Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:30:27 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: 20B Numbers? To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-705177631-1299367827=:3060" --0-705177631-1299367827=:3060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thomas,=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 One of the first=C2=A0things I would do = is make sure the powers that be in the =0ASport=0AClass will not restrict y= ou to a traditional piston engine (like=C2=A0certain auto =0Agroups did=0Aw= hen the early rotarys were beating their B#%%'s) or penalize you with extra= =0Aweight,=0Aetc............Then the next problem in my mind will be findi= ng a prop reduction =0Aunit=0Athat will stand up that much power...........= Tracy Crook will be the first to =0Atell you that=0Ahis=C2=A0RD1X units wer= e never designed for that much power..........IMHO=0A=0AVery Interesting an= d Ambitious Project Though !...........I am sure the Rotary =0AGroup=0Awill= follow and=C2=A0pull for you and offer all the help they can............= =C2=A0=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B= ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A= "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0AFrom: Tom Giddings =0ATo: Rotary motors in airc= raft =0ASent: Sat, March 5, 2011 3:59:57 PM=0A= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Numbers?=0A=0A=0AI =C2=A0am newby... I am buil= ding a Questair Venture. I am installing a 20B. I want =0Ato Turbo it. My g= oal is 500 HP,I want to race it at Reno at some point in the =0ASport Class= . Anyone out there doing or has done anything similar. Would =0Aappreciate = any help or advise about your setup etc. My airframe is close to =0Aneeding= some power.=0A=0AKind Regards =0ATom Giddings=0AVP Avionics Sales=0AMidwes= t Avionics=0A200 Hardy Roberts Drive=0APaducah, KY 42086-0219=0A877-904-996= 6=0Atom@midwestavionics.net=0AOnline Store=C2=A0=0Awww.midwest-avionics.com= =0A=0A=0AOn Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, "Thomas Mann" wrote= :=0A=0A=0AI have C438 .=0A>We must be okay!=0A>=0A>From: Marc Wiese =0A>Sen= t: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:22 PM=0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Su= bject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Numbers?=0A>20B MAZDA in black outline paint; C9= 27 on all three rotor housings=E2=80=A6.=0A>Marc=0A>=C2=A0=0A>From:Rotary m= otors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of =0A>Tho= mas Giddings=0A>Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:57 PM=0A>To: Rotary motors= in aircraft=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Numbers?=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Here you go = everyone: The engine should be stamped on all the rotor housings and =0A>si= deplates. Look on the top of the rotor housings where is says "Mazda 20B"= =0A>=0A>=0A>Pre A code: 3 digit=C2=A0 numbers only, no letter=0A>A code : L= etter A and 3 digit #=0A>B code : Letter B and 3 digit #=0A>All of the abov= e are small dowel pin land motors=0A>=0A>C code: letter C and 3 digit #=0A>= D code : letter D and 3 digit #=0A>=0A>The C and D code have the upgraded s= ideplates, thicker dowel pin lands. Approx: =0A>4mm thicker=0A>On Mar 3, 20= 11, at 8:34 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Thomas,=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Share some of your new found info on the 20B with the group...= .........=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2"(Eventually)=0A>"13B= ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold= =0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=0A__________________= ______________=0A=0A>From:Thomas Giddings =0A>To: = Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Thu, March= 3, 2011 5:23:15 PM=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Numbers?=0A>=0A>Thanks Kell= ey....Your right...Brian knows his stuff...I have a very early 20B =0A>=C2= =A0=0A>Tom=0A>On Mar 3, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A>Thomas,=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Try Brian Galloway in Calif........= .He deals in Mazda parts and is very =0A>knowledgeable in=0A>the 20B models= and the differences between them.........Improvements were made =0A>in the= =0A>year models............For our use in aircraft the upgrades probably ar= e not as =0A>important as=0A>we are not severely stressing our engines like= the racers (Auto) do.........I do =0A>know that the=0A>later model 20B's s= ell at a premium...........The last time I corresponded with =0A>him he had= =0A>both early and late 20B's for sale............I bought a 20B auto trans= bell =0A>housing from him=0A>(My 13B "Cosmo" uses it between Tracy's RD1C = and engine like "Bulent" of this =0A>group=0A>.....See photo) attached)....= ......FWIW=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Brian Galloway =0A>=C2=A0=0A>= =0A>=C2=A0=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2"=C2=A0(Eventually)=0A>"13B RO= TARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>= "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=0A______________________= __________=0A=0A>From:=C2=A0Thomas Giddings =0A>To= :=C2=A0Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent:=C2= =A0Thu, March 3, 2011 9:02:41 AM=0A>Subject:=C2=A0[FlyRotary] Re: Numbers?= =0A>=0A>On a similar topic...does anyone know how to identify which year 20= B I have? I =0A>was told ,but have no real way of knowing .=0A>On Mar 3, 20= 11, at 9:37 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Pat,=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 If your core engine still has the waterpump on it count the numbe= r of =0Abolts=0A>on the pump........86-88 13B has 7 WP bolts...........89-9= 1 has 8 WP bolts.....=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 93-95 13B has an all = aluminum WP.......This is quick and dirty but there =0Aare=0A>other ways if= WP is missing...........The 86-91 WP is cast iron bolted to alum=0A>housin= g.........=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2"=C2=A0(Eventually)= =0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil M= anifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=0A___________= _____________________=0A=0A>From:=C2=A0Pat Panzera =0A>To:=C2=A0Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent:=C2=A0Wed, March 2, 2011 7:37:54 PM=0A>Subject:=C2=A0[FlyRotary= ] Numbers?=0A>=0A>Hey gang,=0A>=0A>I have a core engine I need to identify.= =0A>Are there any numbers on the web I can look up?=0A>=0A>Thanks!=0A>=0A>P= at=0A>=0A>--=0A>Homepage: =C2=A0http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>Archive and Un= Sub: =C2=A0http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>= =C2=A0=0A>--=0A>Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary= .com/=0A>Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/li= sts/flyrotary/List.html=0A>=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0 --0-705177631-1299367827=:3060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Thomas,
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     One o= f the first things I would do is make sure the powers that be in the S= port
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Class will not restrict you to a traditional piston engin= e (like certain auto groups did
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when the early rotarys we= re beating their B#%%'s) or penalize you with extra weight,
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et= c............Then the next problem in my mind will be finding a prop reduct= ion unit
=0A
that will stand up that much power...........Tracy Cr= ook will be the first to tell you that
=0A
his RD1X units wer= e never designed for that much power..........IMHO
=0A
 =0A
Very Interesting and Ambitious Project Though !...........I am sur= e the Rotary Group
=0A
will follow and pull for you and offer= all the help they can............  
 
=0A

Kelly T= royer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eve= ntually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM= 2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A


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=0AFrom: Tom Giddi= ngs <tom@midwestaviation.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t;
Sent: Sat, March 5, 2= 011 3:59:57 PM
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Numbers?

=0A
I  am newby... I am= building a Questair Venture. I am installing a 20B. I want to Turbo it. My= goal is 500 HP,I want to race it at Reno at some point in the Sport Class.= Anyone out there doing or has done anything similar. Would appreciate any = help or advise about your setup etc. My airframe is close to needing some p= ower.

Kind Regards =0A
=0A
Tom Giddings
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VP Avio= nics Sales
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Midwest Avionics
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200 Hardy Roberts Dri= ve
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Paducah, KY 42086-0219
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877-904-9966
=0Atom@midwestavionics.net=0A
Online Store 
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On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:14 PM, "T= homas Mann" <tmann@n200lz.com> wrot= e:

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I have C438 .
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We must be okay!
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From: Marc Wiese
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Sent: Satu= rday, March 05, 2011 2:22 PM
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B Number= s?
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20B MAZDA in black outline paint; C927 on all three rotor hous= ings=E2=80=A6.

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Marc

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Fro= m: Ro= tary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf O= f Thomas Giddings
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:57 PM
<= B>To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Numb= ers?

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Here you go everyone: The engine sh= ould be stamped on all the rotor housings and sideplates. Look on the top o= f the rotor housings where is says "Mazda 20B"


Pre A code: 3 dig= it  numbers only, no letter
A code : Letter A and 3 digit #
B co= de : Letter B and 3 digit #
All of the above are small dowel pin land mo= tors

C code: letter C and 3 digit #
D code : letter D and 3 digit= #

The C and D code have the upgraded sideplates, thicker dowel pin = lands. Approx: 4mm thicker

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On Ma= r 3, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:

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Thomas,

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     Share some of your new found info on the= 20B with the group............
 

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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELT= A JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2= /EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo<= /P>=0A

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<= B>From: Thomas Giddin= gs <tom@midwestaviation.net>
To: Rotary mo= tors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 5:23:15 PM
Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Numbers?

Thanks Kelley....Your right...Brian= knows his stuff...I have a very early 20B

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Tom

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On Mar 3, 2011, at 3:= 53 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:

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Thomas,

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 =     Try Brian Galloway in Calif.........He deals in Mazda pa= rts and is very knowledgeable in

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the 20B mo= dels and the differences between them.........Improvements were made in the=

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year models............For our use in airc= raft the upgrades probably are not as important as

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we are not severely stressing our engines like the racers (Auto) do= .........I do know that the

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later model 20B= 's sell at a premium...........The last time I corresponded with him he had=

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both early and late 20B's for sale........= ....I bought a 20B auto trans bell housing from him

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(My 13B "Cosmo" uses it between Tracy's RD1C and engine like "Bule= nt" of this group

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.....See photo) attached)= ..........FWIW

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Brian Galloway <ss427bb@hotmail.com>

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Kel= ly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MIST= RAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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From: Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 9:02:41 AMSubject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: Numbers?

On a sim= ilar topic...does anyone know how to identify which year 20B I have? I was = told ,but have no real way of knowing .

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On Mar 3, 2011, at 9:37= AM, Kelly Troyer wrote:

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     If your co= re engine still has the waterpump on it count the number of bolts

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on the pump........86-88 13B has 7 WP bolts.........= ..89-91 has 8 WP bolts.....

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    93-95 13B has an all aluminum WP= .......This is quick and dirty but there are

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housing.........

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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2"<= SPAN class=3Dapple-converted-space> (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E5= 0 Turbo

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= From: Pat Panzera <editor.contactmagazine@gmail.com>
<= B>To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= >
Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 7:37:54 PMSubject: [FlyRotar= y] Numbers?

Hey gang,

I have a core engine I need to identify.
Are there= any numbers on the web I can look up?

Thanks!

Pat

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