X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-Junk-Score: 29 [X] X-SpamCatcher-Score: 29 [X] Return-Path: Received: from nm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.84] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with SMTP id 4872621 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:56:18 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.84; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm14.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2011 18:55:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.26] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2011 18:55:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Feb 2011 18:55:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 431253.87427.bm@omp1026.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 72048 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Feb 2011 18:55:42 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1297882541; bh=GcWOWGyxOWe59Jl/5j0hySqbmbU39ScimyMWz16nO1Q=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ftjzzd0EPCbaMRLtwWtnISs0opldBXssoY4qujX/rrLLVZW+DGlLIH+Yt7eMU93U0rkDlw0t6urntV5SkG60peW+ooXP04y7fitLt2/nK7T+Ow7EjA9QKZFYYmj+MAlAYjOgbqByGeGGHUhsfJ43ssykYcoOb5y5ZQlrMOsyBtg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SAJTwOHWa/aRFzt/qV9WDPdUHlUkJiqkzqxCsOFwlm2dI0Ta7Y1DSQVVuxpkaPDE11I2kd+JJ+dBq+TO9j3JwjZ1ZmKGbQvmK2ILlPesY3pG9MaKOf/KjTqNyLl7lag6INc6uftPMuWC4CDrBV1wQE0z7PbzLUMmHdYSevV7El8=; Message-ID: <942965.70054.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: x0NLa0oVM1lXQzh_q2K0ekPkEPCkj0pRuK7KrCzMvh252bg g9xhRyYi8Tt7lk75Q04i1OITsBPGUT9My_m_dkwzB2NUxXQ4DiiISFaByGX5 Hrt00cVYUPEKuH7KQrvSqz8ra5uDYKEkGK5VOTYawmpJVxur8eD86DDvZB3R 6Wc9tZvHKL8_4Q4NZwVe6linfmszkkDGQBzQH4y6B2JMURibsrLUv3_PjH.q GOJMXfcj6NfYO8t8OPbqS7Nq6NxAflEYyyi8sDyInl_uph8ILN4gh8F.WrYl 2fnRxvwi32w-- Received: from [208.114.36.11] by web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:55:41 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.108.291010 References: <584582.12881.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <343091.33135.qm@web112003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <404563.49860.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <168780.22135.qm@web112011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Vari-Prop To: Larry Morgan Cc: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: <168780.22135.qm@web112011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1740698083-1297882541=:70054" --0-1740698083-1297882541=:70054 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry,=0A=A0=A0 What would the approximate weight of a 74 inch=A03 blade VP= 2 with the Paul =0ALipps blade=A0profile and current price?........... =0A= =0A=0AThanks,=A0=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13= B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold= =0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________= _=0AFrom: Larry Morgan =0ATo: Kelly Troyer =0ASent: Tue, February 15, 2011 4:56:58 PM=0ASubject: Re: Vari-Prop= =0A=0A=0AYou are well within operating limits. Your prop speed is only 815 = fps.=A0 I try to =0Alimit the guys at 850.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________________= ______________=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Larry Morgan =0ASent: Tue, February 15, 2011 2:42:30 PM=0ASubject: Re= : Vari-Prop=0A=0A=0ALarry,=0A=0A=A0=A0 No not in the air at present........= ....Project has been slowed by parental =0Acaretaker duties but=0Aam active= ly obtaining parts..............Airframe is built but holding off cover =0A= (Fiberglass) until all=0Asystems are in place (Much easier to get to)......= ......Additional =0Ainfo..........The Rotary will never=0Abe turned higher = than about 7200 rpm (2526 prop rpm) which is still "Loafing" =0Afor a Rotar= y in=0Amy installation..............How are tip speeds at this rpm for a 74= inch prop =0A??..............=0A=0AThanks again,=0A=A0=A0=0AKelly Troyer= =0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM= 2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Larry Morgan =0ATo: Kelly Troyer =0ASent: Tue, February 15, 2011 = 4:27:37 PM=0ASubject: Re: Vari-Prop=0A=0A=0AHi Kelly,=0A=0AThanks for the i= nfo.=A0 Yes, I am quite familiar with your aircraft. I have seen a =0Acoupl= e fly at some airshows I used to attend and have actually been inside of = =0Athem.=A0 The ones I saw had a 180 Lyc with a fixed pitch prop.=A0 Once a= irborne they =0Aseemed to perform quite well, but needed a lot of runway to= get airborne.=A0 =0AProbably a CS prop would have made all of the differen= ce.=0A=0AI would recommend our VP2 series prop, a 3 bladed prop will give a= very smooth =0Aperformance.=0A=0AAre you currently flying?=0A=0A=0ALarry= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Larry Morgan =0ASent: Tue, February = 15, 2011 2:00:55 PM=0ASubject: Fw: Vari-Prop=0A=0A=0ALarry,=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 = Forgot to include the airframe if you are not familiar with the "Dyke =0ADe= lta"...............Cruises at=0Aabout 180 mph with a 180 hp=A0Lyc 0-360 (so= me are faster with 200 hp I0-360 or 210 =0Ahp I0-390)=0Aand we have 2 flyin= g with Rotary (about 180 hp) but not turbo =0Acharged..................See = attached=0Aphoto.............=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA = JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_B= ackplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Forward= ed Message ----=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Larry Morgan =0ASent: Tue, February 15, 2011 3:49:19 PM=0ASubject: R= e: Vari-Prop=0A=0A=0ALarry,=0A=0A=A0=A0 Turbo/13B Rotary engine (pretty muc= h mirrors Steve Veach's =0Aengine)..............Expect about 250 hp max at= =0Ano more than about 5 psi (40 in MP) for take off (or show off)..........= ..Will =0Anormalize to sea level hp (30 in=A0MP)=0Aapprox 200 hp at altitud= e for most operation.............Tracy Crooks 2.85 to 1 =0Aplanetary reduct= ion unit (not sure=0Awhat ratio Steve has)...........This PSRU will give 21= 05 prop rpm at 6000 engine =0Arpm (common cruise rpm for=0Aa Rotary).......= ......I can swing a 74 inch prop with good ground clearance and =0Ahave a 3= blade electric inflight=0Aadjust "IVO Prop" at present for flight testing = (Fully realizing the "IVO" is =0Aless than an optimum prop)............=0A= =0AThanks,=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"= _ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONE= TICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: L= arry Morgan =0ATo: Kelly Troyer =0ASe= nt: Tue, February 15, 2011 2:49:01 PM=0ASubject: Re: Vari-Prop=0A=0A=0AHi K= elly,=0A=0AThank you for your inquiry. We custom build the blades to fit th= e application, =0Aso there really is no maximum diameter. The diameter is d= etermined by the prop =0Atip speed at takeoff RPM.=A0 =0A=0A=0AWhat is your= application?=0A=0ALarry=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AF= rom: Kelly Troyer =0ATo: lmorgan724@yahoo.com=0ASent: Tue, = February 15, 2011 12:28:35 PM=0ASubject: Vari-Prop=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AMr Morgan,= =0A=0A=A0 Would like to know max diameter of your props and am also interes= ted in =0Athe=A0Paul Lipps (sp)=A0designed blades.......Was=0Asent your way= by Steve Veach..........A lot of talk currently on the "Fly =0Arotary" for= um about your props..........=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA = JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_B= ackplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo --0-1740698083-1297882541=:70054 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A
Larry,
=0A
   What would the app= roximate weight of a 74 inch 3 blade VP2 with the Paul Lipps blade&nbs= p;profile and current price?...........
=0A
 
=0A
T= hanks, 
 
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"D= YKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

= "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manif= old

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A

=0A=0A
=0AFrom: Larry Morgan <lmorgan724@yahoo.com><= BR>To: Kelly Troyer <kel= tro@att.net>
Sent: Tu= e, February 15, 2011 4:56:58 PM
Sub= ject: Re: Vari-Prop

=0A
=0A
You are w= ell within operating limits. Your prop speed is only 815 fps.  I try t= o limit the guys at 850.
=0A

=0A
=0A
=0A= From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Larry Morgan <lmorgan724@yahoo.com><= BR>Sent: Tue, February 15, = 2011 2:42:30 PM
Subject:= Re: Vari-Prop

=0A
=0A
=0A
Larry,
=0A
&n= bsp;
=0A
   No not in the air at present............Proj= ect has been slowed by parental caretaker duties but
=0A
am active= ly obtaining parts..............Airframe is built but holding off cover (Fi= berglass) until all
=0A
systems are in place (Much easier to get t= o)............Additional info..........The Rotary will never
=0A
b= e turned higher than about 7200 rpm (2526 prop rpm) which is still "Loafing= " for a Rotary in
=0A
my installation..............How are tip spe= eds at this rpm for a 74 inch prop ??..............
=0A
 =0A
Thanks again,
=0A
  
=0A

Kelly Troyer"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually= )

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"M= ISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A
=0A

=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: Larry Morgan <= ;lmorgan724@yahoo.com>
To: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 4:27:37 PM
Subject: Re: Vari-Prop

=0A<= DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZ= E: 12pt">=0A
Hi Kelly,
=0A
 
=0A
Thanks for the = info.  Yes, I am quite familiar with your aircraft. I have seen a coup= le fly at some airshows I used to attend and have actually been inside of t= hem.  The ones I saw had a 180 Lyc with a fixed pitch prop.  Once= airborne they seemed to perform quite well, but needed a lot of runway to = get airborne.  Probably a CS prop would have made all of the differenc= e.
=0A
 
=0A
I would recommend our VP2 series prop, = a 3 bladed prop will give a very smooth performance.
=0A
 =0A
Are you currently flying?
=0A
 
=0A
 = ;
=0A
Larry
=0A

=0A
=0A
=0AFrom:= Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Larry Morgan <lmorgan724@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 = 2:00:55 PM
Subject: Fw: = Vari-Prop

=0A
=0A
=0A
Larry,
=0A
 <= /DIV>=0A
    Forgot to include the airframe if you are n= ot familiar with the "Dyke Delta"...............Cruises at
=0A
abo= ut 180 mph with a 180 hp Lyc 0-360 (some are faster with 200 hp I0-360= or 210 hp I0-390)
=0A
and we have 2 flying with Rotary (about 180= hp) but not turbo charged..................See attached
=0A
photo= .............
=0A
 
=0A
Thanks,
=0A
 <= /DIV>=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" <= FONT size=3D1>(Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETI= CS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A

=0A
----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Larry Morgan <lmorgan724@yahoo.com= >
Sent: Tue, February= 15, 2011 3:49:19 PM
Subject: Re: Vari-Prop

=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
Larry,
=0A=
 
=0A
   Turbo/13B Rotary engine (pretty much = mirrors Steve Veach's engine)..............Expect about 250 hp max at
= =0A
no more than about 5 psi (40 in MP) for take off (or show off).....= .......Will normalize to sea level hp (30 in MP)
=0A
approx 2= 00 hp at altitude for most operation.............Tracy Crooks 2.85 to 1 pla= netary reduction unit (not sure
=0A
what ratio Steve has).........= ..This PSRU will give 2105 prop rpm at 6000 engine rpm (common cruise rpm f= or
=0A
a Rotary).............I can swing a 74 inch prop with good = ground clearance and have a 3 blade electric inflight
=0A
adjust "= IVO Prop" at present for flight testing (Fully realizing the "IVO" is less = than an optimum prop)............
=0A
 
=0A
Thanks,<= /DIV>=0A
 
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE= DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13= B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A

=0A
From: Larry Morgan <lmorgan724@yahoo.com>
<= B>To: Kelly Troyer <keltro@= att.net>
Sent: Tue, F= ebruary 15, 2011 2:49:01 PM
Subject= : Re: Vari-Prop

=0A
=0A
Hi Kelly,=0A
 
=0A
Thank you for your inquiry. We custom build t= he blades to fit the application, so there really is no maximum diameter. T= he diameter is determined by the prop tip speed at takeoff RPM.  =0A
 
=0A
What is your application?
=0A
 <= /DIV>=0A
Larry
=0A

=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: lmorgan724@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, February 15, 2011 12:28:35 PM
Subject: Vari-Prop

= =0A
=0A
=0A
 
=0A
Mr Morgan,=0A
 
=0A
  Would like to know max diameter of your= props and am also interested in the Paul Lipps (sp) designed bla= des.......Was
=0A
sent your way by Steve Veach..........A lot of t= alk currently on the "Fly rotary" forum about your props..........
=0A=
 
=0A
Thanks,
=0A
 
=0A

Kelly Troye= r
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventua= lly)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

= =0A



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