X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with ESMTP id 4871769 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:16:09 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.78.142; envelope-from=Bktrub@aol.com Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p1G1FU1L004248 for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:15:30 -0500 Received: from Bktrub@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.f3c.e6c4ba1 (37685) for ; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:15:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.140]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v129.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB081-5c444d5b252a10d; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:15:25 -0500 Received: from webmail-d049 (webmail-d049.sim.aol.com [205.188.167.91]) by smtprly-ma01.mx.aol.com (v129.8) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMA012-5c444d5b252a10d; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:15:22 -0500 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: in-flight fire podcast Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:15:22 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 74.110.91.118 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bktrub@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CD9B8E1E1C012A_1C74_6D97_webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33222-STANDARD Received: from 74.110.91.118 by webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com (205.188.167.91) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:15:22 -0500 Message-Id: <8CD9B8E1E14DD04-1C74-2D62@webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Bktrub@aol.com ----------MB_8CD9B8E1E1C012A_1C74_6D97_webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I wear an old military nomex flight suit and gloves. And parachute. No mor= e sneakers for me.=20 I went out and tuned the engine again today. It ran very well where it was= , but I'm trying to get the map addresses to around the mid-range area. So= , I went to mode 3 and adjusted it to set the injector rate down a bit. I= have a mid-2005 version of the EC2, so I assume that mode 3 affects all= map addresses. I bolixed it up again, and it started to rain, so I figure= d I'd go back and go back to the factory settings and start over. , when= it was clear out and I didn't have to muck about in the wet. I'm getting= better at tuning this thing. We won't have any good flying weather for ab= out a week, so I'm not in a real hurry right now.=20 Brian Trubee -----Original Message----- From: Tracy To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:03 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: in-flight fire podcast Thought about this a little and ended up with Piloti Nomex lined driving= shoes. Very comfy too. Tracy On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Marc Wiese wrote: Interesting, although I fail to see the FAA reason for the fire=E2=80=A6..= ? =20 Although twenty minutes in length, I thought this was worth passing along= to my colleagues. A couple of things about this incident caught my attention. There was no fire extinguisher on the aircraft. The instructor seemed to= gloss over this point very quickly yet I suspect it could have caused a= much-better outcome had it been there, reachable, usable and of sufficien= t capacity to knock the fire down. The instructor's shoe melted in the flames and he makes reference to "plas= tic' a couple of times, yet he was able to put his cotton-sock-covered foo= t back into the flames onto the rudder pedal to maintain the steep slip,= after his student was able to pull the melting shoe off his foot. Most fl= ying instructors wear some form of a running shoe, even the CFI's that I= have met.Many, if not most, pilots that I know wear synthetic-material sh= oes when they are flying, for understandable reasons of comfort and flexib= ility. That doesn't mean that wearing something that is either flammable= or will melt to your foot is necessarily a good thing. The fact that a th= in, cotton sock afforded him more fire protection than his entire shoe sho= uld be telling. At Skyquest, for some reason, half the instructors wear leather shoes, com= pletely at odds with other schools. I am guilty, however, of polishing my flying shoes. when I pointed out the style of dress evident in the T-28 formation traini= ng video- wearing Nomex flying suits and gloves but with the sleeves rolle= d up to the elbow- my instructor wryly observed to only leave exposed wha= t parts of you that you want barbequed... =20 http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_JadeSchiewe_CockpitFireE= mergencyLanding_204104-1.html?kw=3DAVwebFlash =20 http://www.avweb.com/other/SchieweFactualNTSB.pdf ----------MB_8CD9B8E1E1C012A_1C74_6D97_webmail-d049.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I wear an old military nomex flight suit and gloves. And parachu= te. No more sneakers for me.
 
I went out and tuned the engine again today. It ran very well where= it was, but I'm trying to get the map addresses to around the mid-range= area. So, I went to mode 3 and adjusted it to set the injector rate down= a bit. I have a  mid-2005 version of the EC2, so I assume that= mode 3 affects all map addresses. I bolixed it up again, and it started= to rain, so I figured I'd go back and go back to the factory settings and= start over. , when it was clear out and I didn't have to muck about in th= e wet. I'm getting better at tuning this thing. We won't have any good fly= ing weather for about a week, so I'm not in a real hurry right now.
 
Brian Trubee



-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 15, 2011 5:03 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: in-flight fire podcast

Thought about= this a little and ended up with Piloti Nomex lined driving shoes. = Very comfy too.

Tracy

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Marc Wiese <cardmarc@charter.ne= t> wrote:
Interesting,= although I fail to see the FAA reason for the fire=E2=80=A6..?
 =
Although twenty min= utes in length, I thought this was worth passing along to my colleagues.
A couple of things= about this incident caught my attention.
There was no fire= extinguisher on the aircraft.  The instructor seemed to gloss over= this point very quickly yet I suspect it could have caused a much-better= outcome had it been there, reachable, usable and of sufficient capacity= to knock the fire down.
The instructor's sh= oe melted in the flames and he makes reference to "plastic' a couple of ti= mes, yet he was able to put his cotton-sock-covered foot back into the fla= mes onto the rudder pedal to maintain the steep slip, after his student wa= s able to pull the melting shoe off his foot. Most flying instructors= wear some form of a running shoe, even the CFI's that I have met.Many, if= not most, pilots that I know wear synthetic-material shoes when they are= flying, for understandable reasons of comfort and flexibility. That doesn= 't mean that wearing something that is either flammable or will melt to yo= ur foot is necessarily a good thing. The fact that a thin, cotton sock aff= orded him more fire protection than his entire shoe should be telling.
At Skyquest, for so= me reason, half the instructors wear leather shoes, completely at odds wit= h other schools.
I am guilty, howeve= r, of polishing my flying shoes.
when I pointed out= the style of dress evident in the T-28 formation training video- wearing= Nomex flying suits and gloves but with the sleeves rolled up to the elbow= - my instructor wryly  observed to only leave exposed what parts of= you that you want barbequed...
 
 

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