X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mx2.netapp.com ([216.240.18.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTPS id 4651352 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:36:49 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.240.18.37; envelope-from=echristley@att.net X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,214,1291622400"; d="scan'208";a="498034609" Received: from smtp1.corp.netapp.com ([10.57.156.124]) by mx2-out.netapp.com with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2010 12:36:01 -0800 Received: from [10.62.16.128] (ernestc-laptop.hq.netapp.com [10.62.16.128]) by smtp1.corp.netapp.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/NTAP-1.6) with ESMTP id oBMKZxKq023949 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:36:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D12612E.5010106@att.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:35:58 -0500 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@att.net User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 13B Turbo Manifold References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Kelly Troyer wrote: > Ernest, > =20 > Not sure what you mean by "Welds not cleaned up"...........All I se= e=20 > on these "TIG" welds is > a slight discoloration at the edge of the weld bead caused by the arc=20 > heat.. The first link of a Google search on "stainless steel welding corrosion" = was=20 http://www.mcnallyinstitute.com/04-html/4-1.html From that site: INTERGRANULAR CORROSION All austenitic stainless steels (the 300 series, the types that "work har= den") contain a small amount of carbon in=20 solution in the austenite. Carbon is precipitated out at the grain bounda= ries, of the steel, in the temperature range of=20 1050=B0 F. (565=B0 C) to 1600=B0 F. (870=B0 C.). This is a typical temper= ature range during the welding of stainless steel. This carbon combines with the chrome in the stainless steel to form chrom= ium carbide, starving the adjacent areas of the=20 chrome they need for corrosion protection. In the presence of some strong= corrosives an electrochemical action is=20 initiated between the chrome rich and chrome poor areas with the areas lo= w in chrome becoming attacked. The grain=20 boundaries are then dissolved and become non existent. There are three wa= ys to combat this: * Anneal the stainless after it has been heated in this sensitive ra= nge. This means bringing it up to the proper=20 annealing temperature and then quickly cooling it down through the sensit= ive temperature range to prevent the carbides=20 from forming. * When possible use low carbon content stainless if you intend to do= any welding on it. A carbon content of less=20 than 0.3% will not precipitate into a continuous film of chrome carbide a= t the grain boundaries. 316L is as good example=20 of a low carbon stainless steel. * Alloy the metal with a strong carbide former. The best is columbiu= m, but sometimes titanium is used. The carbon=20 will now form columbium carbide rather than going after the chrome to for= m chrome carbide. The material is now said to=20 be "stabilized" They could have used a filler that made post treatment unnecessary, or th= ey could have annealed it. The link you gave=20 says it is made of T304. Depending on which T304, the carbon ranges from= .03 to .08%, so it may not be an issue at all.