X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-gx0-f170.google.com ([209.85.161.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4642831 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:18:18 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.170; envelope-from=david.staten@gmail.com Received: by gxk20 with SMTP id 20so1655340gxk.1 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:17:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=GW0CYHQyX2BszWrDs1DJxOpnvSVe29IxHCVu1c6Ri2g=; b=O0M73+YsXtoASOR4tUkg4cnltvg5N+7VnBAL+k5l+zCysx+6kLaYyokIAIh9VropLO J6U6Zc4bvl2bJx87o3Edoc0CBxBWo75foD9k3xl8pilt9CMJFpk8Jis5Gus7ijKUf3TE l6LsbpcG3Nig3LqRI7SBA6GBnNhmx9Ke7faDQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=UIgYPeaqr2M4g7flV3mxNw2yF4uI+Undmd85gjLYg0qtYts0aM5WNx8UD70wWTviQx lIsnZTWIDI+BwkpllSb7JUkK930gblxH98fmzrTIbZ9jy4SAJCwqWwn6bZAk4yNqyCid lkHWeL/j08g5NlFCOVv8jEZ8fAOH+Al2QJ4Dg= Received: by 10.100.42.5 with SMTP id p5mr4849979anp.31.1292447862327; Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:17:42 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([216.80.142.154]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 2sm1880553anw.38.2010.12.15.13.17.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:17:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4D093073.7090606@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:17:39 -0600 From: Dave User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Rotary Engine Considerations References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050608050102040400000309" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050608050102040400000309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to the list... this is the first post I can find from you.. I have no idea what sort of background research you have done to this point, but I am pretty sure there is not a suitable ready-made package with a turbo, intake, block that can be ordered. The stock turbo's are completely unsuitable for our use, and will fail in short order. There are a couple turbo installs flying.. Dave Leonard's RV in San Diego, and John Slade's Cozy up in New England, but they both are custom installs. Chris Barber in Houston has a Turbo 13b on a velocity, and is approaching first flight. I was involved in his build for a few years, and we purchased an intake from Mistral when that was an option. Most car turbos are meant for off-the-line sprint style behavior, not the hours long endurance behavior of boosted flight operations The stock intake on the 13B rides way too high for any canard I am aware of, so you will need a custom intake fabricated, as well as a custom exhaust. Both the Cozy and Velocity will require such. If you are serious about the rotary, understand that the few sentences below tell me that you've not done much homework and may think this is a plug and play type installation. Its not. There will be significant fabrication work on your end to make this happen. So lets talk about what sort of aircraft this is going into, what you plan to use for a PSRU, what you plan to use for an engine controller, what sort of prop you are planning to use, and what your plans are for mounting your radiator and oil coolers? How do you plan to mount the engine? And to answer your question.. A street port on a new turbo block would be a good start. Eccentric shaft oil jet and thermal pellet mods are also recommended. Bruce Turrentine's video has info on the oil and pellet mods. Dave On 12/15/2010 2:46 PM, George Rippeto wrote: > I am at the point in my project were I would like to order my engine. > This is a canard installation. I would like a turbo charged 13B. What > information do I need to provide to the engine supplier? Is there some > kind of checklist or something I can use to help me? > Thanks, > George > > --------------050608050102040400000309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Welcome to the list... this is the first post I can find from you..

I have no idea what sort of background research you have done to this point, but I am pretty sure there is not a suitable ready-made package with a turbo, intake, block that can be ordered.

The stock turbo's are completely unsuitable for our use, and will fail in short order. There are a couple turbo installs flying.. Dave Leonard's RV in San Diego, and John Slade's Cozy up in New England, but they both are custom installs. Chris Barber in Houston has a Turbo 13b on a velocity, and is approaching first flight. I was involved in his build for a few years, and we purchased an intake from Mistral when that was an option. Most car turbos are meant for off-the-line sprint style behavior, not the hours long endurance behavior of boosted flight operations

The stock intake on the 13B rides way too high for any canard I am aware of, so you will need a custom intake fabricated, as well as a custom exhaust. Both the Cozy and Velocity will require such.

If you are serious about the rotary, understand that the few sentences below tell me that you've not done much homework and may think this is a plug and play type installation. Its not. There will be significant fabrication work on your end to make this happen.

So lets talk about what sort of aircraft this is going into, what you plan to use for a PSRU, what you plan to use for an engine controller, what sort of prop you are planning to use, and what your plans are for mounting your radiator and oil coolers? How do you plan to mount the engine?

And to answer your question.. A street port on a new turbo block would be a good start. Eccentric shaft oil jet and thermal pellet mods are also recommended. Bruce Turrentine's video has info on the oil and pellet mods.

Dave

On 12/15/2010 2:46 PM, George Rippeto wrote:
I am at the point in my project were I would like to order my engine. This is a canard installation. I would like a turbo charged 13B. What information do I need to provide to the engine supplier? Is there some kind of checklist or something I can use to help me?
 
Thanks,
 
George 


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