X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-yx0-f180.google.com ([209.85.213.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4588138 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:00:21 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.180; envelope-from=rotarycoot.ken@gmail.com Received: by yxn22 with SMTP id 22so168795yxn.25 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:59:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to:references:message-id :x-mailer; bh=iQcla/CcWZQDWCA/1uZEYHjhn5oKAMCexUwSdNURTHY=; b=XUev2g0JAFxJxOPsy+yFSb42ZalK//3bkNaX2s2d6i8d8QlOBev25sd7UNTkV8LFZ1 ipqI6cDJbGD4kskobZpSF8PySdLGsNH36Jjo07danrIdBWmIPkKRkRaQ59e8HglEqLJV XkSRpM6j8rbGmz7D4+bzaymGLPOhuvU6SbCLQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=JgXZybfDKw0LOt5ArlMx30KYep5JHkjwbOoCcbQR+y3RHkDsoduhrteuJ0/gIABjc1 9asI8+a2stiwarbAe+RPkYtgtemSRlKUWRL5kxfVvQjKwEOKLwuT1PFs1OMFqqSf2tNM hQ3i0R5IBYDwe9qBscUXfqoli4uQ5G2QunD1o= Received: by 10.151.78.12 with SMTP id f12mr9448904ybl.148.1290441584340; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:59:44 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.0.104] (99-196-113-148.cust.wildblue.net [99.196.113.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w19sm3353325ybe.4.2010.11.22.07.59.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:59:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Welter Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-749226435 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Nitro in a rotary aircraft - N/A 20B? Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 07:59:15 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) --Apple-Mail-5-749226435 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All you need is two nozzles, one for each rotor, one fuel and one = nitrous solenoid valve a tank and plumb it in, the fuel line goes to the = fuel rail and jet it to the chart as per fuel pressure you are running = and the HP you want. Ken >=20 > Ken - What model of NOS kit do you have? I went to their website and = it seems to be broken out by car type and whatnot. Some sort of a = generic kit, or was it a custom setup? Thanks! >=20 > Dustin =20 >=20 > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Tracy = wrote: > I think Ken is right that the EC3 would work fine with nitrous but to = be on the safe side you could set the B controller up with less ignition = advance and/or disable the trailing coils during takeoff with the nitros = shot. There is a coil disable input on the EC3 for coil testing that = could be used for that purpose. >=20 > Tracy >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Dustin Lobner = wrote: > Ken, >=20 > How easy would it be to add it after the fact? I'm building a = Bearhawk, planning to put it on floats eventually, but not right away. = The nitro would be assistance getting off the water, same as you. If I = were to add the nitro when I add floats, how hard would that be? >=20 > Dustin >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ken Welter = wrote: >=20 > I have been running NOS with a 125 hp burst to get my Coot up on the = step and out of the water, without it I would just have a boat that = could not fly, I think it would work fine with Tracy's setup as the = nitrous system adds extra fuel to make up for the extra oxygen, use only = the NOS brand system as most other systems are junk. > Ken >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Nov 21, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Dustin Lobner wrote: >=20 >> Yeah, I'll put that idea to rest for awhile then. Thanks! >>=20 >> Dustin >>=20 >> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Tracy = wrote: >> Nitrous systems that I've seen have a completely independent system = for injecting additional fuel when the nitrous is on. The EC3 has no = way of knowing anything about the NOX system so it does nothing = different.=20 >>=20 >> Tracy >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Dustin Lobner = wrote: >> Some talk on HomeBuiltAirplanes.com forums brought up the question, = has someone ever used nitrous oxide on a rotary aircraft install? I'm = pretty sure a supercub-type plane did that awhile back (on a Lyco) for a = super short takeoff roll using a fixed pitch cruise prop (with a crapton = of HP at takeoff). That's close to my application in the end, probably = with a N/A 20B, hence the interest. >>=20 >> Tracy, how would your EC3 handle short bursts of nitro? Would that = totally throw the mixture curve, would I need to manual adjust while = doing it, or would it auto compensate somehow? >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Dustin >> Rockford, IL >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-5-749226435 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
  All you need is two nozzles, one for each rotor, one fuel and one nitrous solenoid valve a tank and plumb it in, the fuel line goes to the fuel rail and jet it to the chart as per fuel pressure you are running and the HP you want.
 Ken




Ken - What model of NOS kit do you have?  I went to their website and it seems to be broken out by car type and whatnot.  Some sort of a generic kit, or was it a custom setup?  Thanks!

Dustin 

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Tracy <tracy@rotaryaviation.com> wrote:
I think Ken is right that the EC3 would work fine with nitrous but to be on the safe side you could set the B controller up with less ignition advance and/or disable the trailing coils during takeoff with the nitros shot.   There is a coil disable input on the EC3 for coil testing that could be used for that purpose.

Tracy


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Dustin Lobner <dmlobner@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken,

How easy would it be to add it after the fact?  I'm building a Bearhawk, planning to put it on floats eventually, but not right away.  The nitro would be assistance getting off the water, same as you.  If I were to add the nitro when I add floats, how hard would that be?

Dustin


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ken Welter <rotarycoot.ken@gmail.com> wrote:

  I have been running NOS with a 125 hp burst to get my Coot up on the step and out of the water, without it I would just have a boat that could not fly, I think it would work fine with Tracy's setup as the nitrous system adds extra fuel to make up for the extra oxygen, use only the NOS brand system as most other systems are junk.
 Ken




On Nov 21, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Dustin Lobner wrote:

Yeah, I'll put that idea to rest for awhile then.  Thanks!

Dustin

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Tracy <tracy@rotaryaviation.com> wrote:
Nitrous systems that I've seen have a completely independent system for injecting additional fuel when the nitrous is on.  The EC3 has no way of knowing anything about the NOX system so it does nothing different.

Tracy


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Dustin Lobner <dmlobner@gmail.com> wrote:
Some talk on HomeBuiltAirplanes.com forums brought up the question, has someone ever used nitrous oxide on a rotary aircraft install?  I'm pretty sure a supercub-type plane did that awhile back (on a Lyco) for a super short takeoff roll using a fixed pitch cruise prop (with a crapton of HP at takeoff).  That's close to my application in the end, probably with a N/A 20B, hence the interest.

Tracy, how would your EC3 handle short bursts of nitro?  Would that totally throw the mixture curve, would I need to manual adjust while doing it, or would it auto compensate somehow?

Thanks!

Dustin
Rockford, IL







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