Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #53015
From: Tracy <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>
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Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Trailing Coil Disable to Turbo too? Was: N20
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 08:57:02 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Lynn's answer was better than any one I can give.   I have no experience with boosted engines.

  Interesting comments about the ignition split.  The good news is that the EC2/3 does not use any split.  I've never seen any convincing data that indicates that ignition split helps anything other than emissions.  I do know that under typical conditions in our application, the split causes a loss of power.   The loss is pretty significant in the event of leading coil failure.

Tracy


On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:41 AM, <Lehanover@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 11/21/2010 4:13:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wdleonard@gmail.com writes:
This is the first I am hearing about disabling the trailing coils for prevention of detonation.  Should I be doing this when I am at high boost as well.  Right now I seem to be able to run 45" without issue but may start pushing that a little.  Can you guide me to the background?
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David Leonard

 
Detonation is an auto ignition of compressed gasses after the planned ignition event. If you have two plugs and one plug fires later than the leading (ignition split) the second plug starts looking like detonation.
 
Worse for higher boost. Worse for wider split.
 
Since the second event (auto ignition) occurs in an area away from the leading plug it is in a higher pressure and with fuel and air molecules closer together and at a higher temperature. So combustion is more energetic with higher than normal flame front speeds. The pressure spikes generated may overcome the oil film on bearings, or break apex seals, or, rings and ring lands in piston engines. Very bad mojo.
 
Detonation is charge temperature dependant. So cooler intake air, richer mixture (well rich of peak EGT) as in take off and climb. (Fuel cooling) Cooler oil (rotor face temps) and cooler housing walls (bigger radiator). Higher octane fuel. Octane is a measurement of detonation resistance. Higher number is better. Very lean mixtures with their low flame speeds can mimic higher octane fuel.
 
The rotary with its huge combustion chamber and cool charge temps is more resistant to detonation than is a piston engine. Until you pour on the boost. Modest boost and almost nothing changes. Weekend killer....hold my beer and watch this kind of boost.... You can get 800 HP from a 13B but engine life may be in seconds. The added fuel and air produces a bigger engine. Let us say that you double the fuel and air processed per revolution. That would be the same as an engine of twice the swept volume, correct?
 
But, the combustion chamber remains the same size, so the effective compression ratio has gone way up. Flame speed may more than double. Since we want best chamber pressure at about 45-50 degrees after TDC, the ignition timing must be reduced a bunch.
 
Racing Beat says no split timing at high boost. Engine development is at 10 degrees of total advance. Racing at high boost is at 12 degrees of total advance.  Crazed drag racers may be running all of the timing after TDC. The lure of 800 HP you know.
 
I have no knowledge of boosted rotary engines. It is a fad. It will go away.
 
Lynn E. Hanover  

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