X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-gw0-f52.google.com ([74.125.83.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4587257 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 15:09:43 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.83.52; envelope-from=rotarycoot.ken@gmail.com Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11so1098166gwb.25 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:09:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to:references:message-id :x-mailer; bh=690mucUgzafGpKqBSCmKtNlCDoGCOzxkPGh1z3J7nBc=; b=sNPtfWNOW/mV68UMTWHqsZWfiMyn8UIIaNNIlhiqMVqQkD3s96n+C1JVy1Sbs1bEeo IQ4+8LwNzT6RQERRR1Ma3MGnGl4hi3SpDVRfQwf3Bf6cH3+9Wsssu+TydCEAsvU+ZUK4 clICmwrCeBDm4uBegR8iCEtfY5yqNUPe6bg5g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=qXpc3IFCOGL6SkiILcp3+WdnSGS3k7DjQiyH1MyjsIZ2A1UauS8VBKOz2khEqoMb2+ tGzjKrYNe4H5eEyXsu0iCv48YhCSv6OMaoKzFdC/+uOSOg87aUhFPYfyn7zmd7q0blFV 1mNqFJgmUxxX9JTkKZp1N3fpZfFJKsSlIco2s= Received: by 10.90.40.21 with SMTP id n21mr6021254agn.168.1290370148362; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:09:08 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.0.104] (99-196-113-148.cust.wildblue.net [99.196.113.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h70sm2683251yha.46.2010.11.21.12.09.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:09:07 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Welter Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-677791001 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Nitro in a rotary aircraft - N/A 20B? Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:08:39 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Message-Id: <73F97E16-A6E6-4993-91C2-11AFB56BE99E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) --Apple-Mail-3-677791001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Drill two 1/4 inch holes and screw in the nozzles. Ken On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Dustin Lobner wrote: > Ken, >=20 > How easy would it be to add it after the fact? I'm building a = Bearhawk, planning to put it on floats eventually, but not right away. = The nitro would be assistance getting off the water, same as you. If I = were to add the nitro when I add floats, how hard would that be? >=20 > Dustin >=20 > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ken Welter = wrote: >=20 > I have been running NOS with a 125 hp burst to get my Coot up on the = step and out of the water, without it I would just have a boat that = could not fly, I think it would work fine with Tracy's setup as the = nitrous system adds extra fuel to make up for the extra oxygen, use only = the NOS brand system as most other systems are junk. > Ken >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Nov 21, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Dustin Lobner wrote: >=20 >> Yeah, I'll put that idea to rest for awhile then. Thanks! >>=20 >> Dustin >>=20 >> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Tracy = wrote: >> Nitrous systems that I've seen have a completely independent system = for injecting additional fuel when the nitrous is on. The EC3 has no = way of knowing anything about the NOX system so it does nothing = different.=20 >>=20 >> Tracy >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Dustin Lobner = wrote: >> Some talk on HomeBuiltAirplanes.com forums brought up the question, = has someone ever used nitrous oxide on a rotary aircraft install? I'm = pretty sure a supercub-type plane did that awhile back (on a Lyco) for a = super short takeoff roll using a fixed pitch cruise prop (with a crapton = of HP at takeoff). That's close to my application in the end, probably = with a N/A 20B, hence the interest. >>=20 >> Tracy, how would your EC3 handle short bursts of nitro? Would that = totally throw the mixture curve, would I need to manual adjust while = doing it, or would it auto compensate somehow? >>=20 >> Thanks! >>=20 >> Dustin >> Rockford, IL >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-3-677791001 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

 Drill two 1/4 inch holes and screw in the nozzles.
 Ken



On Nov 21, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Dustin Lobner wrote:

Ken,

How easy would it be to add it after the fact?  I'm building a Bearhawk, planning to put it on floats eventually, but not right away.  The nitro would be assistance getting off the water, same as you.  If I were to add the nitro when I add floats, how hard would that be?

Dustin

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Ken Welter <rotarycoot.ken@gmail.com> wrote:

  I have been running NOS with a 125 hp burst to get my Coot up on the step and out of the water, without it I would just have a boat that could not fly, I think it would work fine with Tracy's setup as the nitrous system adds extra fuel to make up for the extra oxygen, use only the NOS brand system as most other systems are junk.
 Ken




On Nov 21, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Dustin Lobner wrote:

Yeah, I'll put that idea to rest for awhile then.  Thanks!

Dustin

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Tracy <tracy@rotaryaviation.com> wrote:
Nitrous systems that I've seen have a completely independent system for injecting additional fuel when the nitrous is on.  The EC3 has no way of knowing anything about the NOX system so it does nothing different.

Tracy


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Dustin Lobner <dmlobner@gmail.com> wrote:
Some talk on HomeBuiltAirplanes.com forums brought up the question, has someone ever used nitrous oxide on a rotary aircraft install?  I'm pretty sure a supercub-type plane did that awhile back (on a Lyco) for a super short takeoff roll using a fixed pitch cruise prop (with a crapton of HP at takeoff).  That's close to my application in the end, probably with a N/A 20B, hence the interest.

Tracy, how would your EC3 handle short bursts of nitro?  Would that totally throw the mixture curve, would I need to manual adjust while doing it, or would it auto compensate somehow?

Thanks!

Dustin
Rockford, IL





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