X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-iw0-f180.google.com ([209.85.214.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.10) with ESMTP id 4587189 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 12:20:25 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.214.180; envelope-from=rotarycoot.ken@gmail.com Received: by iwn37 with SMTP id 37so7871012iwn.25 for ; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:19:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:mime-version :content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to:references:message-id :x-mailer; bh=QCBhxUMCWbXc/oNUJfiU1/5cVah4ruBMwXYw8qoCUfs=; b=LAJvUn9USCouz+25+VnBotDaJJjruvIeMBFwxNcvpW4v8y5D5hW6NoewQfJT/4hlhz tYZ8qS8VHmD60Ogk/Oy31aEPye5NDurgN46taQ10/MlLtnncsbd9Nl0GlzSh7AnK9CR1 K6TZjzyW1cPBS4fQKeVqEzs1EqjzW7rqSETjQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; b=d4FEe7CenpZV3g4/ILVHOCAiGfc/sKuzuohs/WKNHqLdtNlqPhSEHCpXTfeL8aObz8 Sey4EJU8TMdtyr/sroQ0AmCRUHmf13ZB/U5HU5Gx9Q1FiTuHfHDsAH5t5wjh7fg5rUwF zgj6y83ZA2lI7zIm/sAAqnuiu0pJfLSSeAWk8= Received: by 10.231.14.8 with SMTP id e8mr5642776iba.71.1290359990279; Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:19:50 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.0.104] (99-196-113-148.cust.wildblue.net [99.196.113.148]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i16sm4479905ibl.12.2010.11.21.09.19.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: Ken Welter Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-667632618 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Nitro in a rotary aircraft - N/A 20B? Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 09:19:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) --Apple-Mail-1-667632618 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have been running NOS with a 125 hp burst to get my Coot up on the = step and out of the water, without it I would just have a boat that = could not fly, I think it would work fine with Tracy's setup as the = nitrous system adds extra fuel to make up for the extra oxygen, use only = the NOS brand system as most other systems are junk. Ken On Nov 21, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Dustin Lobner wrote: > Yeah, I'll put that idea to rest for awhile then. Thanks! >=20 > Dustin >=20 > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Tracy = wrote: > Nitrous systems that I've seen have a completely independent system = for injecting additional fuel when the nitrous is on. The EC3 has no = way of knowing anything about the NOX system so it does nothing = different.=20 >=20 > Tracy >=20 >=20 > On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Dustin Lobner = wrote: > Some talk on HomeBuiltAirplanes.com forums brought up the question, = has someone ever used nitrous oxide on a rotary aircraft install? I'm = pretty sure a supercub-type plane did that awhile back (on a Lyco) for a = super short takeoff roll using a fixed pitch cruise prop (with a crapton = of HP at takeoff). That's close to my application in the end, probably = with a N/A 20B, hence the interest. >=20 > Tracy, how would your EC3 handle short bursts of nitro? Would that = totally throw the mixture curve, would I need to manual adjust while = doing it, or would it auto compensate somehow? >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Dustin > Rockford, IL >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-667632618 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

  I have been running NOS with a 125 hp burst to get my Coot up on the step and out of the water, without it I would just have a boat that could not fly, I think it would work fine with Tracy's setup as the nitrous system adds extra fuel to make up for the extra oxygen, use only the NOS brand system as most other systems are junk.
 Ken




On Nov 21, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Dustin Lobner wrote:

Yeah, I'll put that idea to rest for awhile then.  Thanks!

Dustin

On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Tracy <tracy@rotaryaviation.com> wrote:
Nitrous systems that I've seen have a completely independent system for injecting additional fuel when the nitrous is on.  The EC3 has no way of knowing anything about the NOX system so it does nothing different.

Tracy


On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 1:26 AM, Dustin Lobner <dmlobner@gmail.com> wrote:
Some talk on HomeBuiltAirplanes.com forums brought up the question, has someone ever used nitrous oxide on a rotary aircraft install?  I'm pretty sure a supercub-type plane did that awhile back (on a Lyco) for a super short takeoff roll using a fixed pitch cruise prop (with a crapton of HP at takeoff).  That's close to my application in the end, probably with a N/A 20B, hence the interest.

Tracy, how would your EC3 handle short bursts of nitro?  Would that totally throw the mixture curve, would I need to manual adjust while doing it, or would it auto compensate somehow?

Thanks!

Dustin
Rockford, IL



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