Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52928
From: Bobby J. Hughes <bhughes@qnsi.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Hey are those 304 Stainless staples...(from David)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:52:02 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Here's my take on the prop / rpm.
 
Prop rpm    2450-2600 --- 1st gear
                 2200-2450  -- 2nd gear
                 2000-2200---- 3rd gear
                1800 - 2000    over drive
                1600-1800---- feels like to much load on my engine.
 
I really think my blade pitch is too flat in the 1st gear rpm range. The mechanical stops may need factory adjustment to limit the pitch. Some of the Egg subi drivers have made this a field modification. I can easily hitting 7500 rpm and then some if the EC2 did not prohibit it.
 
Bobby
(FWF disassemble- painting brackets and replacing leaky o-ring)
 
 
 
                  


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 10:33 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hey are those 304 Stainless staples...(from David)

Bill,
 
I take it that you're suggesting I spray WD-40 up behind the panel while someone runs the engine and holds the brakes.  Other than making a bit of a mess, that should find the leak, if there is one.  I doubt I can use this technique on the engine side (with engine running).  Most would end up on the windscreen, and/or in my face.  Besides, spinning props make me very nervous. 
 
On the speed issue, I can get it up to speed (around 200 mph) running WOT at a lower prop setting (1900 - 2100), then dial the prop rpm up to say 2200 - 2250 and you can feel it start slowing down even though the engine rpm has increased with the higher prop setting.  Loss of speed is confirmed by the EM-2.  Bobby Hughes states that he has experienced the same thing with his super-charged Renesis with constant speed M/T prop.  So, I'm wondering if it may be something in the design of the M/T prop.  Since they were designed for use with Lycoming engines, it seems they ought to perform well up to 2750-2800 rpm.  So, it may be something else causing the problem. 
 
Mark

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

Hi Mark,

 

You can check for vacuum leaks by squirting starting fluid or carb cleaner around the intake system while someone is holding the brakes.

 

What is the airspeed when you hit the wall?  You say the speed will gradually start to bleed off.  Do you mean that the speed initially increases by some value, then falls back?  How much?  Does the engine rpm maintain during this phase?  Are you at WOT and just using the prop to control the engine speed at this time?

 

Bill B

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 9:09 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Hey are those 304 Stainless staples...(from David)

 

OK, Doug, I'll post my weekend update. 

 

As some of you may know, I have had troubles getting my 20B to run as it should.  Problems started about 3 years back when I decided to convert from the stock CAS to the Renesis style CAS.  While I did have limited success, it was very sensitive to alignment and air gap of the CAS sensor, and possibly some other issues that I am not smart enough to figure out.  I had trouble getting it to run above 5800 rpm. 

 

About a month ago I decided that enough was enough and I called Tracy to say that I wanted my EC-2 converted back to the original configuration.  I sent it back to Tracy who made the mod and upgraded the software to the latest version.  I got it back on Friday and was anxious to see how it would perform.  I installed the upgraded EC-2 on Saturday.  Yea, it started on the third prop blade and ran quite well, although the Mixture knob was not at "12 O'clock", it ran very smooth.  Following the instructions in the manual, first thing I did was to adjust Mode 3 to compensate for my larger 60# injectors.  Now it was running really well in the upper rpm/map ranges.  A little adjusting of the lower addresses using Mode 1 & 9 and it was idling down around 1500 rpm.  (Keep in mind that this is a p-port motor.)  The exhaust tone at low idle is hard to describe...it is enough to send chills up your leg.  ;-0 

 

Sunday, after a some more tuning, I got it to where it would almost do 7000 rpm static.  (Keep in mind that Lockhart, TX is a small country town and this was Sunday morning.  You could probably hear me tuning my engine all over town.)  Confident that it would stay running, I decided it was time to fly.  It climbed out at 6700 rpm as smooth as could be.  There was a 5000' ceiling, so I couldn't climb too high, but the air was silky smooth.  I flew a couple of patterns, climbing as I circled.  At 3500 msl I headed east and did some tuning with Mode 9 at different MAP settings.  Up and down the scale, fine-tuning each address.  She was running like a fine Swiss watch, or to put it another way, like a rotary should.  

 

Issues: 

1)  MAP Readings - It appears that I may have a vacuum leak as the MAP at idle is reading 17.4".  Next trip to the airport I will double-check to make sure that I got both lines plugged into the EC-2 properly, and check for leaks elsewhere.  It is amazing that it idles as well as it does under these circumstances.  Note that rather than using a throttle body, I am using a slide-throttle which is located just a few inches from the intake ports.  So, the vacuum lines are plugged into the unused oil injection ports in the rotor housings (no oil injection pump).  Could this account for the unusual MAP readings?  I do have a plenum, but since it is open to the atmosphere, I can't measure MAP from there.  I think there are others that use this scheme with success. 

2) Performance - I seem to hit a speed wall at around 2000-2100 prop rpm.  I can set the prop higher and get a higher engine rpm, but the higher rpm doesn't translate into higher speeds.  The speed will gradually start bleeding off.  Not sure why this is happening.  Could be tuning, or intake/exhaust design, or just a characteristic of the M/T prop.  Or, maybe the engine isn't making enough horsepower to push the airframe through the air any faster.  It is annoying though, knowing that you have another 1500 rpm on tap but can't use it.

 

3) Alternator - the voltage reading on main alternator is low.  This is a new alternator which has been converted to external regulator.  I'll try adjusting the regulator (again). 

 

All in all, a very successful weekend.  As usual, more issues to sort out though. 

 

Mark S.

Lancair ES, N/A P-port 20B

Lockhart, TX

 

 


 

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:20 PM, <hoursaway1@comcast.net> wrote:

Rodger that Doug, I just went through all the paperwork again to make sure all ducks in a row, then shot one of the ducks & had dinner, a sweet red wine marinade is the secret to good tender duck you know.  David.
----- Original Message -----
From: DLOMHEIM@aol.com
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:09:45 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Hey are those 304 Stainless staples...(from David)

Na...gotta be 321...don't you think David?!  I'm still hoping to read about some flying exploits from this weekend, from someone on the list!  Surely all our aviators weren't just sitting around watching football all day like us gimpy / DNIF guys!!!!   :)  

 

Mucho congrats on getting your project to the point of final inspection prior to first flight!  Take your time, be safe, and enjoy the moment!  Then post some pictures / data of the big event on the list!  :)    

 

Doug

 


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