Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.100] (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2926867 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:22:31 -0500 Received: from edward (clt78-020.carolina.rr.com [24.93.78.20]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i0AMMTKY013533 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:22:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c3d7c8$c7213860$2402a8c0@edward> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Radiator ducting Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:26:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > > Hi Ed, > > > > As usual I didn't pay attention when I should have. > > I'm now replacing the right radiator for the 2nd time (this time with a > > new one) and am starting to look at proper ducting. > > > > Bernie Kerr suggested pointing the inlet in the direction of the > > slipstream from the prop to increase ram effect. > > Looking the the inlets on some turboprop installations it seems the > > clearance between rear side of prop and tip of inlet lip is quite small. > > My RV-3 cowling tapers back from the center to maybe 5" at the outside > > of the cowling. > > Would there be any negative effect on prop efficiency if one were to > > extend the outside of the cowling out close (1" or less) to the trailing > > edge of the prop? > > > > Which brings me to the next question: With proper ducting, what is your > > currently recommended mininum inlet area? I'm considering a circular > > inlet as in Dave Anders RV-4 (see the Mustang II in Feb 2004 Kit Planes"). > > The advantage of moving the inlet forward would be a longer duct, closer > > to the optimal 7 degree maximum. > > Would having the inlet real close to the prop also increase pressure in > > the duct? > > > > Others are welcome to chime in here too :) > > > > Finn > > Finn, I would not go below about 18 square inches initially. I did reduce one of my duct openings to around 9-10 square inches, but left the other one at 24 square inches. Cooling is still fine (increased coolant temp by 5F), but I suspect the 24 Square inche one is carrying more of the load. K&W indicates that if your inlet opening is below a certain critical ratio then the losses go way up. Using the 95 square inches of the cores I calculated that 18 square inches was a good minimum. If you duct shape and outlet are close to optimum you could go smaller, but then things have got to be just right. I know that 24 square inches per core works great, and my total coolant inlet are is now at 33 square inches and still cooled on 90F day. I would pay particular attention to the lower lip of your inlet making certain it has a sort of airfoil curve to it so that air will find an easy path when the nose is up relative to the airstream (like during your climb). Don't have a clue as to whether the "round" inlets are better, some folks believe so. Van sort of poop pooed the idea at one dinner. Ed Anderson