Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.100] (HELO ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2920560 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:13:37 -0500 Received: from o7y6b5 (clt78-020.carolina.rr.com [24.93.78.20]) by ms-smtp-01-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i074DNHH015476 for ; Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:13:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001201c3d4d0$a6bb88a0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] evap core air pockets? Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:45:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3D4A6.BD993560" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3D4A6.BD993560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Russell Duffy=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:50 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] evap core air pockets? Greetings, In thinking about my evap core installation, I realized that there = would be a potential problem with air getting trapped in the top of the = cores. Since the hoses are all on the bottom, it just seems like = there's always going to be some air trapped at the top, unless I find = some way to bleed it out. =20 Ed, I just looked at your pics again, and don't see any provision to = remove air from the top of your cores. Is this not really a problem?=20 Thanks, Rusty (really leaving now) Well, yes and no. You are correct when initially filling after a = drain, you will find that approx 1/4 -1/3 of the upper core is filled = with air. A peacock would of course release the air, but I never = installed any. However, I have a proceedure that works and since I = don't drain the coolant but once a year (intentionally that is), here is = the proceedure I use. Fill up the system with as much coolant as it will hold (this will = leave air trapped as I mentioned - but not to dispare) - fire up the = engine and let idle with the radiator cap off. Let it run for 1 to 1 = 1/2 minutes, then shut it down. You will find that the system will now = take more coolant. Do this a couple or three times never running it for = over tw0 minutes at a time and refilling the system each time. =20 Then put the radiator cap on and fire up the engine again. This time = run it up to max rpm for apporx 30 seconds and then shut it down. You = should find your header tank again low on coolant. A couple of more = runs up to max static held for not more than 30 seconds and refilling = will remove the air in the cores. First time you run it up and after shutting it down hold your hand on = the side tank of a core. You can tell where the coolant level it very = easily. It will be much cooler immediately above the water level in the = core and much warmer/hotter where the coolant is in the core. So you can = monitor your progress in removing air by feeling the side tank for the = temp differential line. Note: DO NOT PLACE RELIANCE ON YOUR COOLANT TEMP SENSOR while doing = this. It will not register the correct temperature unless it is in = steady contact with the coolant which it won't be until you get most of = the air out. So don't be lulled into letting the engine run longer than = I suggested just because the temperature gage says everything is OK.=20 Hope this helps. Ed Anderson ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C3D4A6.BD993560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Russell=20 Duffy
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 = 5:50=20 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] evap core = air=20 pockets?

Greetings,
 
In thinking = about my evap=20 core installation, I realized that there would be a potential problem = with air=20 getting trapped in the top of the cores.  Since the hoses are all = on the=20 bottom, it just seems like there's always going to be some air trapped = at the=20 top, unless I find some way to bleed it out.  =
 
Ed, I just = looked at your=20 pics again, and don't see any provision to remove air from the top of = your=20 cores.  Is this not really a problem?
 
Thanks,
Rusty (really = leaving=20 now)
 
Well, yes and=20 no.  You are correct when initially filling after a drain, you = will find=20 that approx 1/4 -1/3 of the upper core is filled with air.  A = peacock=20 would of course release the air, but I never installed = any.  =20 However, I have a proceedure that works and since I don't drain the = coolant=20 but once a year (intentionally that is), here is the proceedure I=20 use.
 
Fill = up the system=20 with as much coolant as it will hold (this will leave air trapped as I = mentioned - but not to dispare) -  fire up the engine and let = idle with=20 the radiator cap off.  Let it run for 1 to =20 1 1/2 minutes, then shut it down.  You will find that = the=20 system will now take more coolant.  Do this a couple or three = times never=20 running it for over tw0 minutes at a time and refilling the system = each=20 time. 
 
Then = put the=20 radiator cap on and fire up the engine again.  This time run it = up to max=20 rpm for apporx 30 seconds and then shut it down.  You should find = your=20 header tank again low on coolant.  A couple of more runs up to = max static=20 held for not more than 30 seconds and refilling will remove the air in = the=20 cores.
 
First time you run=20 it up and after shutting it down hold your hand on the side tank of a=20 core.  You can tell where the coolant level it very easily.  = It will=20 be much cooler immediately above the water level in the core and much=20 warmer/hotter where the coolant is in the core. So you can monitor = your=20 progress in removing air by feeling the side tank for the temp = differential=20 line.
 
Note: DO NOT PLACE=20 RELIANCE ON YOUR COOLANT TEMP SENSOR while doing this.  It will = not=20 register the correct temperature unless it is in steady contact with = the=20 coolant which it won't be until you get most of the air out.  So = don't=20 be lulled into letting the engine run longer than I suggested = just=20 because the temperature gage says everything is OK. =
 
Hope = this=20 helps.
 
Ed=20 Anderson
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