X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4331577 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 31 May 2010 10:59:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=XJBoL1f5z3etUdR3EmbNHXFie2oYvtf87KacKPijUJE= c=1 sm=0 a=Dz6fkxCs3qgA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=Er6hwA6a1l4K/FyzC6NN7w==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=QdXCYpuVAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=ekHE3smAAAAA:20 a=UretUmmEAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=HmIHhUP9VSVS7TARmo4A:9 a=COUHbX9SDCW6Uy2udD8A:7 a=xS6OLHiew807xhjCBkJQ2BisD28A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1vhyWl4Y8LcA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=5anKA5qz05HjKPyz:21 a=aAEAHYCCWnShIDys:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=7a-TnStYR-fZmTm3a-YA:7 a=yYaobcHHJLxfliGRU3iJ7MhKEeYA:4 a=csG5Yi8_52a4aGlV:21 a=t50brY8oeGEBh8xO:21 a=Er6hwA6a1l4K/FyzC6NN7w==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.181.123.159 Received: from [75.181.123.159] ([75.181.123.159:2105] helo=computername) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 29/47-02347-EBEC30C4; Mon, 31 May 2010 14:59:10 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" Message-ID: <29.47.02347.EBEC30C4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject] Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:59:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CB00B0.536A2360" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcsAxcTFRk1fnS7UTxCVH3sRE1SGHAACzbHw In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CB00B0.536A2360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, Kelly, I must say, I admire people who have the gumption to step out of perfectly good aircraft with nothing more than a 0.5mm thick sheet of fabric between them and their maker - but, not for me,. I'll stick to engine-out glides {:>) Yes, the new rocket seats are much easier on the spine - back injuries in the old seats were not uncommon particularly if your spine was not perfectly vertical when the shell went off. I also road the trainer with a reduced charge shell - that wasn't bad, sort of fun - but up the rail and back down wasn't much of a trip {:>) Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:32 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject] Ed, Totally understand your reluctance in the environment you just described..........My highest jump was from 21,500msl from a KingAir and airspeed much less than 400+ kts..............We used oxygen until bailout and other than being cold the worst part was the slight shaving rash we got on our faces from frozen water droplets as we fell (They have pointed tails)............I flew as a aircrewmen (Radar) in the Navy and still have my training card from Altitude Chamber and also Martin Baker Ejection Seat checkout..........They used a reduced charge in the 20mm shell to shoot us up a rail and we all heard the horror stories from full charge ejections...........They new rocket propelled seats are said to be a little more progressive and not quite as hard on the back..............<:) Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold _____ From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 6:39:42 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject] I was leaning that way in interpreting the facial expression, Al. {:>) I flew over 2500 hours in the Military, mostly in B-52 Bombers and EB-66 escorts, I was not infrequently asked whether I had ever bailed out (Nope!) or whether I had any desire for the experience (Nope!). Of course, in our case, Bail-out involved, jettison the ejection hatch during some dire emergency exposing you to the near vacuum and cold of 30,000- 40,000 + Feet, followed by a 20mm shell exploding under your butt, which compressed you down to 2/3 you normal sitting height as it blew you out of the aircraft into 400+Kt windsteam. This exciting ejection event (even more exciting if you forgot to retract your limbs inside the safe ejection profile) was followed by being hit in the face by a barely sub-mach air stream which could (and did) break limbs, air blast your face, etc. If you remembered to lower your face shield - most of that could be avoided and your oxygen mask provided some projection against your lungs being over inflated by this airstream Then if everything went right and you had remember to activate you 2000 psi emergency oxygen bottle (which forced oxygen into your lungs at such a pressure and rate - you would swear you were going to blow up like a balloon because of the effort it took to exhale against this flow), you fell for 20,000-30,000 ft hoping your parachute was packed by the best in the parachute shop until it forcible opened. Then if you were lucky and avoided landing in mountain crags, tops or trees (or heaven forbid - water) safely, you could wait hours or perhaps days to be picked up. Fortunately, I missed that exciting event, but tales of those who had not, sort of colored my viewpoint about leaving a perfectly good aircraft. So NO, never really interested {:>) Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Al Gietzen Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:33 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject] I generally glide WITH my airplane {:>) - Looks like you are either having the time of your life or scared sh...s, can't quite tell from the expression on your face {:>) That is 'wind augmentation' of a smile. Pictures snapped during the first couple seconds out of the plane look more like the 'scared sh...s' variety. I don't recall feeling scared - just feeling a hell of an adrenalin rush - or is that the same thing:-)? 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Well, Kelly, I must say,  I = admire people who have the gumption to step out of perfectly good aircraft with nothing more than a 0.5mm thick sheet of fabric between them and their = maker – but, not for me,. I’ll stick to engine-out glides = {:>)

 

Yes, the new rocket seats are much = easier on the spine – back injuries in the old seats were not uncommon particularly if your spine was not perfectly vertical when the shell = went off.  I also road the trainer with a reduced charge shell – = that wasn’t bad, sort of fun – but up the rail and back down wasn’t much = of a trip {:>)

 

Ed

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Monday, May 31, = 2010 9:32 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Sky dive [off subject]

 

Ed,

  Totally understand your reluctance in the environment you = just described..........My highest jump was from = 21,500msl

from a KingAir and airspeed much less than 400+ = kts..............We used oxygen until bailout and other than being = cold

the worst part was the slight shaving rash we got on our faces = from frozen water droplets as we fell (They have = pointed

tails)............I flew as a aircrewmen (Radar) in the Navy and = still have my training card from Altitude Chamber and = also

Martin Baker Ejection Seat checkout..........They used a reduced = charge in the 20mm shell to shoot us up a rail and = we

all heard the horror stories from full charge = ejections...........They new rocket propelled seats are said to be a little = more

progressive and not quite as hard on the = back..............<:) 

Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

 

 

From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 = 6:39:42 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Sky dive [off subject]

I was leaning that way in = interpreting the facial expression, Al. {:>)

 

 

I flew over 2500 hours in the = Military, mostly in B-52 Bombers and EB-66 escorts, I was not infrequently asked whether = I had ever bailed out (Nope!) or whether I had any desire for the experience = (Nope!).

 

Of course, in our case, Bail-out = involved, jettison the ejection hatch during some dire emergency exposing you to = the near vacuum and cold of 30,000- 40,000 + Feet, followed by a 20mm shell = exploding under your butt, which compressed you down to 2/3 you normal sitting = height as it blew you out of the aircraft into 400+Kt windsteam.  This = exciting ejection event (even more exciting if you forgot to retract your limbs = inside the safe ejection profile)  was  followed by being hit in the = face by a barely sub-mach air stream which could (and did) break limbs, air = blast your face, etc.  If you remembered to lower your face shield – = most of that could be avoided and your oxygen mask provided some projection = against your lungs being over inflated by this = airstream

 

Then if everything went right and = you had remember to activate you 2000 psi emergency oxygen bottle (which forced = oxygen into your lungs at such a pressure and rate – you would swear you = were going to blow up like a balloon because of the effort it took to exhale = against this flow),  you fell for 20,000-30,000 ft hoping your parachute = was packed by the best in the parachute shop until it forcible opened.  Then = if you were lucky and avoided landing in mountain crags, tops or trees (or = heaven forbid – water)  safely, you could wait hours or perhaps days = to be picked up.

 

Fortunately, I missed that exciting = event, but tales of those who had not, sort of colored my viewpoint about = leaving a perfectly good aircraft.

 

So NO, never really interested = {:>)

 

Ed

 

Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary = Powered

Matthews, NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com

http://www.andersonee.com

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html<= o:p>

http://www.flyrotary.com/

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Al Gietzen
Sent: Monday, May 31, = 2010 2:33 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Sky dive [off subject]

 

 

I generally = glide WITH my airplane {:>) – Looks like you are either having the time of = your life or scared sh…..s, can’t quite tell from the expression on = your face {:>)

 

That is ‘wind augmentation’ =
of a smile.  Pictures snapped during the first couple seconds out =
of the plane look more like the ‘scared sh…..s’ =
variety.  I don’t recall feeling scared =
 – just feeling a hell of an adrenalin rush – or is =
that the same thingJ?=

 
Al
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