X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4331566 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 31 May 2010 10:48:16 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.121; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=nvPTcbS/1X5sBfqPoji6pWQQw+epcOlfrYAGfc16qa8= c=1 sm=0 a=Dz6fkxCs3qgA:10 a=ood2b7iyd8MA:10 a=Er6hwA6a1l4K/FyzC6NN7w==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=QdXCYpuVAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=ekHE3smAAAAA:20 a=UretUmmEAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=1XWaLZrsAAAA:8 a=L6_nnWenAAAA:8 a=Uu338AOGhyRlsiiBrl8A:9 a=ScJB03Dja2SNP4UJvx4A:7 a=pSOQJFynPDedc4thEFJ8AOO1XWsA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=1vhyWl4Y8LcA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=9-yK21Yff5powZZ6:21 a=E9Pp__zUA1DXHKzV:21 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=0TS6LKYVI5ptcpo48wEA:9 a=5kI8TtupTzDn90G8_68A:7 a=s8TRCRMLpszVa3HJDp3KB09gHJgA:4 a=J3wPFIqo28Fv2Nwq:21 a=gvo3dIwaTV5JFvFP:21 a=Er6hwA6a1l4K/FyzC6NN7w==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.181.123.159 Received: from [75.181.123.159] ([75.181.123.159:2083] helo=computername) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 4A/4E-28437-B0CC30C4; Mon, 31 May 2010 14:47:40 +0000 From: "Ed Anderson" Message-ID: <4A.4E.28437.B0CC30C4@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com> To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject] Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 10:47:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CB00AE.B78E58E0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcsAxZd4a5cOMNRqS3elYf1Cpk4GwgACcyTA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CB00AE.B78E58E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, Bill. It was an honor to serve our country with such men as are on that list - even in an unpopular conflict. Yes, I knew six of them well. Five went down and were lost when BAT 21 (book and Movie) was shot down by SAMs April 1972. Another very close friend, George Sasser, was lost while attempting a one engine landing at Korat AFB, Thailand at night. The remaining engine blew on an attempted go-a-round - notoriously unreliable engines. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:31 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject] Ed, Thank you for your service! I found this list of fatalities from B-66 operations. Did you know any of them? http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pmkc.com/B66/2_EB66s.jpg &imgrefurl=http://www.pmkc.com/B66/Index.htm&h=480&w=600&sz=21&tbnid=-W1Ob58 6LsEH-M:&tbnh=108&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DEB-66&hl=en&usg=__eolWk8d8LJv0 HxjE_yty_2DQDO0=&ei=mrUDTPaDIMT38Abd-NWnDQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct= image&ved=0CC8Q9QEwAw Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 7:40 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject] I was leaning that way in interpreting the facial expression, Al. {:>) I flew over 2500 hours in the Military, mostly in B-52 Bombers and EB-66 escorts, I was not infrequently asked whether I had ever bailed out (Nope!) or whether I had any desire for the experience (Nope!). Of course, in our case, Bail-out involved, jettison the ejection hatch during some dire emergency exposing you to the near vacuum and cold of 30,000- 40,000 + Feet, followed by a 20mm shell exploding under your butt, which compressed you down to 2/3 you normal sitting height as it blew you out of the aircraft into 400+Kt windsteam. This exciting ejection event (even more exciting if you forgot to retract your limbs inside the safe ejection profile) was followed by being hit in the face by a barely sub-mach air stream which could (and did) break limbs, air blast your face, etc. If you remembered to lower your face shield - most of that could be avoided and your oxygen mask provided some projection against your lungs being over inflated by this airstream Then if everything went right and you had remember to activate you 2000 psi emergency oxygen bottle (which forced oxygen into your lungs at such a pressure and rate - you would swear you were going to blow up like a balloon because of the effort it took to exhale against this flow), you fell for 20,000-30,000 ft hoping your parachute was packed by the best in the parachute shop until it forcible opened. Then if you were lucky and avoided landing in mountain crags, tops or trees (or heaven forbid - water) safely, you could wait hours or perhaps days to be picked up. Fortunately, I missed that exciting event, but tales of those who had not, sort of colored my viewpoint about leaving a perfectly good aircraft. So NO, never really interested {:>) Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Al Gietzen Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:33 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Sky dive [off subject] I generally glide WITH my airplane {:>) - Looks like you are either having the time of your life or scared sh...s, can't quite tell from the expression on your face {:>) That is 'wind augmentation' of a smile. Pictures snapped during the first couple seconds out of the plane look more like the 'scared sh...s' variety. I don't recall feeling scared - just feeling a hell of an adrenalin rush - or is that the same thing:-)? 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Thanks, Bill.  It was an honor = to serve our country with such men as are on that list – even in an unpopular conflict.

 

Yes, I knew six of them well.  = Five went down and were lost when BAT 21 (book and Movie) was shot down by = SAMs April 1972.  Another very close friend, George Sasser, was lost = while attempting

a one engine landing at Korat AFB, =  Thailand at night.  The remaining engine blew on an attempted go-a-round = – notoriously unreliable engines.

 

Ed

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
Sent: Monday, May 31, = 2010 9:31 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Sky dive [off subject]

 

Ed, Thank you for your = service!

 

I found this list of fatalities = from B-66 operations.  Did you know any of them?

 

http://w= ww.google.com/imgres?imgurl=3Dhttp://www.pmkc.com/B66/2_EB66s.jpg&img= refurl=3Dhttp://www.pmkc.com/B66/Index.htm&h=3D480&w=3D600&sz= =3D21&tbnid=3D-W1Ob586LsEH-M:&tbnh=3D108&tbnw=3D135&prev=3D= /images%3Fq%3DEB-66&hl=3Den&usg=3D__eolWk8d8LJv0HxjE_yty_2DQDO0=3D= &ei=3DmrUDTPaDIMT38Abd-NWnDQ&sa=3DX&oi=3Dimage_result&res= num=3D4&ct=3Dimage&ved=3D0CC8Q9QEwAw=

 

Bill B

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Monday, May 31, = 2010 7:40 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Sky dive [off subject]

 

I was leaning that way in = interpreting the facial expression, Al. {:>)

 

 

I flew over 2500 hours in the = Military, mostly in B-52 Bombers and EB-66 escorts, I was not infrequently asked = whether I had ever bailed out (Nope!) or whether I had any desire for the = experience (Nope!).

 

Of course, in our case, Bail-out = involved, jettison the ejection hatch during some dire emergency exposing you to = the near vacuum and cold of 30,000- 40,000 + Feet, followed by a 20mm shell = exploding under your butt, which compressed you down to 2/3 you normal sitting = height as it blew you out of the aircraft into 400+Kt windsteam.  This = exciting ejection event (even more exciting if you forgot to retract your limbs = inside the safe ejection profile)  was  followed by being hit in the = face by a barely sub-mach air stream which could (and did) break limbs, air = blast your face, etc.  If you remembered to lower your face shield – = most of that could be avoided and your oxygen mask provided some projection = against your lungs being over inflated by this = airstream

 

Then if everything went right and = you had remember to activate you 2000 psi emergency oxygen bottle (which forced = oxygen into your lungs at such a pressure and rate – you would swear you = were going to blow up like a balloon because of the effort it took to exhale = against this flow),  you fell for 20,000-30,000 ft hoping your parachute = was packed by the best in the parachute shop until it forcible opened.  = Then if you were lucky and avoided landing in mountain crags, tops or trees = (or heaven forbid – water)  safely, you could wait hours or = perhaps days to be picked up.

 

Fortunately, I missed that exciting = event, but tales of those who had not, sort of colored my viewpoint about = leaving a perfectly good aircraft.

 

So NO, never really interested = {:>)

 

Ed

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Al = Gietzen
Sent: Monday, May 31, = 2010 2:33 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Sky dive [off subject]

 

 

I generally = glide WITH my airplane {:>) – Looks like you are either having the time of = your life or scared sh…..s, can’t quite tell from the expression on = your face {:>)

 

That is ‘wind augmentation’ =
of a smile.  Pictures snapped during the first couple seconds out =
of the plane look more like the ‘scared sh…..s’ =
variety.  I don’t recall feeling scared =
 – just feeling a hell of an adrenalin rush – or is =
that the same thingJ?=

 
Al
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