X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [66.219.56.245] (HELO mail.qnsi.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.7) with ESMTP id 4327570 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 26 May 2010 22:09:44 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.219.56.245; envelope-from=bhughes@qnsi.net Return-Receipt-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Rotary HP reviisted....now that I know more about it all...kinda. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CAFD4A.25D82F14" Disposition-Notification-To: "Bobby J. Hughes" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:10:23 -0600 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <74120FDE88CAFE4DBDA8814BCE20A3F320847C@qnsi-mail.qnsi.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Rotary HP reviisted....now that I know more about it all...kinda. thread-index: Acr9SRwggk5euBN2T7KS9uC1o3b1KgAB/j6Q References: From: "Bobby J. Hughes" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAFD4A.25D82F14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, =20 I suspect the rpm drop from 6200 to 6000 is intake heat saturation. Just a guess. Were is your waste gate spring? After your intercooler or before it? Glad to see your making progress.=20 =20 Bobby ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chris Barber Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:51 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary HP reviisted....now that I know more about it all...kinda. I know this must have been discussed, but perhaps more in passing or in some of Tracy's literature (now kinda dated, especially with some of the strides he continues to make), but what is the conventional wisdom as to rotary horsepower? I know when I first started looking into it, oh many years ago, it seemed the impression I got was that you could pretty easily achieve 200 hp, however, that is now a bit lower. Some of the tricks to get the higher HP was mild and medium porting, bridge, "J" and "P" porting. Then there was the option of turbo...the one, in combination with a medium street port, I chose. =20 What say Ye? =20 When started today, mine was turning about 6200 rpm at 35 MP (with a 3 lb spring in the wastegate).....it surged forward against the chocks and breaks. IVO prop full fine. Nice feel of power even if it likes to heat up fast in 90 degree weather like this. =20 Also, I think this was discussed before too, when I go WOT my engine develops up to about 6250 rpm, but then drops a couple/few hundred rpm to usually just under 6000....sometimes just above. Thoughts? Ed, (perhaps Al)it seems you may have chimed in before. Regrettably, when I search the archives I tend to get frustrated due to thread drift. =20 I heard a lot about porting when I was initially investigating all this and I chose to use a medium street port. I let Mazdatrix do the work. That being said, I have read all but nothing on others porting their engines (other than a LOT from PL on P ports). Since standard porting does not reportedly effect reliability, only, potentially low low idle (I can idle as low as about 1300 rpm when warm smoothly) why is it not discussed and/or utilized more? =20 Just curious guys/gals. Discuss =20 All the best, =20 Chris Barber Houston, GSOT ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 5:15 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: 3 view w-10 003, first flight Always loved the lines of a Tailwind - in fact, I have the plans and license to build a W-10 sitting on my book shelf. Unfortunately, I doubt I'll ever get around to it. =20 Ok with thermostat in the system holding it at 190F - we really won't know how much reserve capacity you have in your cooling system until the power goes up. =20 I agree with George, 200HP out of an N/A 13B is really pushing it. I think 180HP is a more realistic expectation - but, hey you never know. It amazing how power goes up when things come together. =20 Enjoy and fly safe.=20 Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com =20 http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html =20 http://www.flyrotary.com/ http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW =20 http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm =20 ________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of John Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 2:36 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Emailing: 3 view w-10 003, first flight =20 My most humble thank you to flyrotary and all you fine folks that have helped bring my project to flight. Ed and many others whom I won't try to name here because I would miss many. The plane is a Wittman Tailwind W-10, empty wt. is 981 and it is a tri-gear, Wt. is within 6 #'s of similar trikes w/ 0-320 engines. I have the thermostat in the engine because most of the year it is not very hot, if we get 50 days with the temperature over 70, we have had a hot summer, not a lot of beach bunny activity. 7-1 I'll be 74 and have realized my dream, now it's all gravy. Again, thanks guys!! JohnD Your message is ready to be sent with the following file or link attachments: 3 view w-10 003 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CAFD4A.25D82F14 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
 
I suspect the rpm drop from 6200 to 6000 is intake = heat=20 saturation. Just a guess. Were is your waste gate spring? After your = intercooler=20 or before it? Glad to see your making progress. =
 
Bobby


From: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Chris=20 Barber
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:51 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Rotary HP = reviisted....now=20 that I know more about it all...kinda.

I know this must have been discussed, but perhaps more in passing = or in=20 some of Tracy's literature (now kinda dated, = especially with=20 some of the strides he continues to make), but what is the conventional = wisdom=20 as to rotary horsepower?  I know when I first started looking into = it, oh=20 many years ago, it seemed the impression I got was that you could pretty = easily=20 achieve 200 hp, however, that is now a bit lower.  Some of the = tricks to=20 get the higher HP was mild and medium porting, bridge, "J" and "P"=20 porting.  Then there was the option of turbo...the one, in = combination with=20 a medium street port, I chose.
 
What say Ye?
 
When started today, mine was turning about 6200 rpm at 35 MP (with = a 3 lb=20 spring in the wastegate).....it surged forward against the = chocks=20 and breaks.  IVO prop full fine. Nice feel of = power even=20 if it likes to heat up fast in 90 degree weather like this.
 
Also, I think this was discussed before too, when I=20 go WOT my engine develops up to about = 6250 rpm,=20 but then drops a couple/few hundred rpm to usually just under = 6000....sometimes=20 just above.  Thoughts?  Ed, (perhaps Al)it seems you may have = chimed=20 in before.  Regrettably, when I search = the archives I=20 tend to get frustrated due to thread drift.
 
I heard a lot about porting when I was initially investigating all = this and=20 I chose to use a medium street port.  I = let Mazdatrix do=20 the work.  That being said, I have read all but nothing on others = porting=20 their engines (other than a LOT from PL on P ports).  Since = standard=20 porting does not reportedly effect reliability, only, potentially=20 low low idle (I can idle as low as about 1300 rpm = when warm=20 smoothly) why is it not discussed and/or utilized more?
 
Just curious guys/gals.  Discuss <g>
 
All the best,
 
Chris Barber
Houston, GSOT

From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 on behalf of Ed Anderson [eanderson@carolina.rr.com]
Sent: = Wednesday,=20 May 26, 2010 5:15 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: 3 view w-10 003, first = flight

Always loved = the lines=20 of a Tailwind – in fact, I have the plans and license to build a = W-10 sitting on=20 my book shelf.  Unfortunately, I doubt I’ll ever get around = to=20 it.

 

Ok with = thermostat in=20 the system holding it at 190F – we really won’t know how = much reserve capacity=20 you have in your cooling system until the power goes = up.

 

I agree with = George,=20 200HP out of an N/A 13B is really pushing it.  I think 180HP is a = more=20 realistic expectation – but, hey you never know.  It amazing = how power goes=20 up when things come together.

 

Enjoy and fly = safe.=20

Ed=20 Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW=20 Rotary Powered

Matthews,=20 NC

eanderson@carolina.rr.com

http://www.andersonee.com

http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html<= /P>

http://www.flyrotary.com/

http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW

http://www.rotaryaviation.com/Rotorhead%20Truth.htm


From: Rotary=20 motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 = 2:36=20 PM
To: Rotary motors = in=20 aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Emailing: 3 view w-10 003, first flight

 

My most humble thank you = to=20 flyrotary and all you fine folks that have helped bring my = project to=20 flight.  Ed and many others whom I won't try to name here because I = would=20 miss many.  The plane is a Wittman Tailwind W-10, empty wt. is 981 = and it=20 is a tri-gear,  Wt. is within 6 #'s of similar trikes w/ 0-320=20 engines.  I have the thermostat in the engine because most of the = year it=20 is not very hot, if we get 50 days with the temperature over 70, we have = had a=20 hot summer, not a lot of beach bunny activity.  7-1 I'll be 74 and = have=20 realized my dream, now it's all gravy.  Again, thanks guys!! =20 JohnD

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