X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [209.55.3.216] (HELO mailout06.server.ibbs.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.5) with ESMTPS id 4219151 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:47:11 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.55.3.216; envelope-from=davidm@remconinc.com Received: from ex-relay-out01.server.ibbs.com ([10.1.200.80] helo=ex-relay-out01.server.ibssonline.com) by mailout06.server.ibbs.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O1RR1-0007Ar-J6 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:44:47 -0700 Received: from [75.108.247.235] (helo=[192.168.1.108]) by ex-relay-out01.server.ibssonline.com with ESMTP (eXpurgate 3.1.2) (envelope-from ) id 4bc39663-5409-4b6cf7eb061b-1 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 14:53:40 -0700 Message-ID: <4BC3946F.5010103@remconinc.com> Disposition-Notification-To: David Moyer Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 16:45:19 -0500 From: David Moyer Reply-To: davidm@remconinc.com Organization: Remcon Associates, LLC User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100317 Thunderbird/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030306000007060204080300" X-purgate-ID: 152875::1271109220-00005409-234C633B/0-0/0-0 X-purgate-type: clean X-purgate-size: 16302 X-purgate-Ad: Categorized by eleven eXpurgate (R) http://www.eleven.de This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030306000007060204080300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit With that price, it is obvious that their target market is not experimental or GA planes, but more than likely Government UAV contracts. I agree the price is way out of line. It is possible that they feel that they want to recoup their R&D costs in short order. -- Cozy MK-IV (Still Building) Come on already!!! Itching to fly this bird. Turbo Rotary Houston, TX On 4/12/2010 4:40 PM, Chris Barber wrote: > The last I heard the engine started in the $60's. I really just don't > understand this mentality....perhaps very good engineers with maybe > too much pride in their work not understanding the market and/or > marketing. Perhaps investors expecting too much too soon. While > I understand they must make a return on the investment, they should > not expect to get it all back in only a few sales (yeah, I know it > takes more than that). However, they have, IMAO, alienated what could > be a primary market. Seems they could sell (possible with Mazda parts > to the non certified experimental market) a decent number at a price > in the teens, get some flying and proven. > I fear that they will not survive with this kind of pricing and the > common aviator will see it as a failure of the rotary and not, again, > IMAO, a bad business plan. I have followed Mistral and cringed with > most of the company announcements. Delays, price hikes, staffing cut > backs, etc. I know it is common in this kind of industry, but it > seems they do not learn from those that have gone before. Pity. > I am grateful that I was able to get their intake but I think it was > just lucky timing that we actually got one. > FWIW. > All the best, > Chris Barber > Houston, GSOT > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on > behalf of Thomas Mann [tmann@n200lz.com] > *Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2010 12:22 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements > > ….. think higher. > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *On Behalf Of *Dwayne Parkinson > *Sent:* Monday, April 12, 2010 12:19 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements > > ... and is expected to sell for ??? $40-50K > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Kelly Troyer > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Mon, April 12, 2010 9:19:00 AM > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] "Mistral" Advancements > > Perhaps of interest to the more well heeled of our little Rotary > Group!!.......... > > > *Mistral Moves Toward Certification Of 300HP Multi-Fuel Rotary Engine > Taking ** > *Pre-Orders For Experimental Engine Series * > > *Mistral Engines has announced that the company has made * > *significant advancements in its efforts to receive the FAA * > *certification for its all-new, 300 horsepower, G-300 rotary * > *aircraft engine. * > > *"We are extremely pleased with the progress that our * > *engineering and development team has made in recent months on the * > *G-300 engine," said Philippe Durr, CEO, Mistral Engines. * > *"We have the engine mounted on a Maule MX-7 flight test * > *aircraft and it is currently undergoing ground power tests at our * > *U.S. base in DeLand, Florida." * > > *Durr also stated that, along with the pending flight tests, the * > *company's engineering team is on the verge of successfully * > *finishing structural testing in the US. The company is also testing * > *extensively its proprietary Full Authority Digital Engine Control * > *(FADEC) system achieving very positive results so far. Engine * > *endurance tests are also scheduled to begin in the third-quarter of * > *this year. * > > *The normally aspirated Mistral G-300 is a revolutionary three * > *rotor engine that is intended to bridge the performance, * > *reliability and cost gap between current piston and turbine * > *engines. The company says that the new engine series "will * > *deliver a responsible solution to the environmental, social and * > *economic challenges faced by general aviation in the 21st * > *century." * > > *The company reports it is seeing significant interest from * > *aircraft, helicopter and unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) * > *manufacturers around the world. "Because of our confidence * > *that we will receive FAA type certification for the G-300 within * > *the year, we will be accepting advanced delivery pre-orders for the * > *experimental version of both the G-200 and G-300 engines beginning * > *at AERO Friedrichshafen," Durr said. "We are already in * > *active talks with a number of world-class aircraft overhaul * > *facilities about obtaining FAA Supplemental Type Certificates * > *(STC's) for our engines on popular general aviation * > *aircraft." * > > *The company has also announced a strong presence at European and * > *U.S. trade shows for 2010. The Mistral Engines will have its * > *innovative rotary aircraft engines on display at AERO in * > *Friedrichshafen, EBACE in Geneva, EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh and * > *AOPA Aviation Summit. * > *FMI: ***www.mistral-engines.com* > > -- > Kelly Troyer > "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > --------------030306000007060204080300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit With that price, it is obvious that their target market is not experimental or GA planes, but more than likely Government UAV contracts. I agree the price is way out of line. It is possible that they feel that they want to recoup their R&D costs in short order.
-- 
Cozy MK-IV (Still Building) Come on already!!! Itching to fly this bird.
Turbo Rotary
Houston, TX

On 4/12/2010 4:40 PM, Chris Barber wrote:
The last I heard the engine started in the $60's.  I really just don't understand this mentality....perhaps very good engineers with maybe too much pride in their work not understanding the market and/or marketing.  Perhaps investors expecting too much too soon. While I understand they must make a return on the investment, they should not expect to get it all back in only a few sales (yeah, I know it takes more than that).  However, they have, IMAO, alienated what could be a primary market.  Seems they could sell (possible with Mazda parts to the non certified experimental market) a decent number at a price in the teens, get some flying and proven.
 
I fear that they will not survive with this kind of pricing and the common aviator will see it as a failure of the rotary and not, again, IMAO, a bad business plan.  I have followed Mistral and cringed with most of the company announcements.  Delays, price hikes, staffing cut backs, etc.  I know it is common in this kind of industry, but it seems they do not learn from those that have gone before. Pity.
 
I am grateful that I was able to get their intake but I think it was just lucky timing that we actually got one.
 
FWIW.
 
All the best,
 
Chris Barber
Houston, GSOT
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Thomas Mann [tmann@n200lz.com]
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:22 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements

….. think higher.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Parkinson
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:19 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: "Mistral" Advancements

 

... and is expected to sell for ???  $40-50K

 

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, April 12, 2010 9:19:00 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] "Mistral" Advancements

Perhaps of interest to the more well heeled of our little Rotary Group!!..........

 


Mistral Moves Toward Certification Of 300HP Multi-Fuel Rotary Engine Taking
Pre-Orders For Experimental Engine Series

Mistral Engines has announced that the company has made
significant advancements in its efforts to receive the FAA
certification for its all-new, 300 horsepower, G-300 rotary
aircraft engine.

"We are extremely pleased with the progress that our
engineering and development team has made in recent months on the
G-300 engine," said Philippe Durr, CEO, Mistral Engines.
"We have the engine mounted on a Maule MX-7 flight test
aircraft and it is currently undergoing ground power tests at our
U.S. base in DeLand, Florida."

Durr also stated that, along with the pending flight tests, the
company's engineering team is on the verge of successfully
finishing structural testing in the US. The company is also testing
extensively its proprietary Full Authority Digital Engine Control
(FADEC) system achieving very positive results so far. Engine
endurance tests are also scheduled to begin in the third-quarter of
this year.

The normally aspirated Mistral G-300 is a revolutionary three
rotor engine that is intended to bridge the performance,
reliability and cost gap between current piston and turbine
engines. The company says that the new engine series "will
deliver a responsible solution to the environmental, social and
economic challenges faced by general aviation in the 21st
century."

The company reports it is seeing significant interest from
aircraft, helicopter and unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV)
manufacturers around the world. "Because of our confidence
that we will receive FAA type certification for the G-300 within
the year, we will be accepting advanced delivery pre-orders for the
experimental version of both the G-200 and G-300 engines beginning
at AERO Friedrichshafen," Durr said. "We are already in
active talks with a number of world-class aircraft overhaul
facilities about obtaining FAA Supplemental Type Certificates
(STC's) for our engines on popular general aviation
aircraft."

The company has also announced a strong presence at European and
U.S. trade shows for 2010. The Mistral Engines will have its
innovative rotary aircraft engines on display at AERO in
Friedrichshafen, EBACE in Geneva, EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh and
AOPA Aviation Summit.
FMI: www.mistral-engines.com

--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold


 

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